free-shots-for-the-barbies night
― some dude, Saturday, 11 December 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Runaway has been in my head for 48 hours straight. I'm as rockist as they come, but that is clearly the song of the year.
― kornrulez6969, Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link
yep
― mercy mercy me, that beanfield milagro (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:32 (thirteen years ago) link
clearly!
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:32 (thirteen years ago) link
surely there must be some mistake
― mercy mercy me, that beanfield milagro (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link
also how does being a rockist make you less likely to think a kanye west single is #1 of the year
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Really? Come on man.
― kornrulez6969, Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link
haha jordan
― k3vin k., Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link
now, i am a rockist, but i have to say that i agree with all if the rock magazines!
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
whiney i thought you were gonna vote cee-lo #1
you're right
― mercy mercy me, that beanfield milagro (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link
"i'm not a rockist, but i play one on ilx."
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 09:49 (thirteen years ago) link
and, no lie, "Runaway" is def my track of the year.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 10:16 (thirteen years ago) link
technical terminology and taste aside, i don't know how someone would be shocked to hear another person say Kanye's reach exceeded his grasp on that part.― da croupier, Friday, December 10, 2010 9:19 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― da croupier, Friday, December 10, 2010 9:19 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^^that's pretty much the most on-point post on this entire misbegotten thread, imo. and even tho that's kinda been Ye's MO from the start, he nonetheless continually keeps upping the ante on MBDTF. but that's exactly what makes it so thrilling to me (and maybe most of us here?), really: will he keep pushing til he reaches the "next level" (whatever the fuck that may mean), or will he fall flat, face-first on his his own arrogant bullshit?
me, i've always appreciated this tendency in "rockist" heroes like Neil Young and Lou Reed (also Madonna?), and i likewise dig it here.
of course, that doesn't make the music any better (or worse), just a little more interesting--and perhaps worth making the effort to reappraise now and again? rather than, you know, prematurely deciding "it sucks now, it sucked then, and i can personally guarantee that it will continue to suck for all time to come," just cause it was the cool, contrarian POV to hold whenever.
end of sermon
hail saytin!
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link
but when Madonna wanted her reach to exceed her grasp she took opera lessons; Ye just got laid more often, or at least wrote about getting laid more often.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 December 2010 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link
what does that have to do with anything?
just sayin' this record makes more sense when seen through Pink Floyd's DSOTM rockist prism is all. and i don't particularly care whether he's raping/singing about getting laid or setting course for the heart of the sun, either--tho, personally, i do appreciate his self-loathing quite a bit. to each his own, ya know.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link
he's got that ambition, baby. look in his eyes: this week he's making The Blueprint and College Dropout, next week he's mumbling unintelligibly.
― some dude, Sunday, 12 December 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, and Madonna exceeded her grasp every damn time she attempted to sing and/or command a stage. 's part of the reason i love her so, in fact.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link
*er i meant rapping there, natch*
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Strike a pose, there's nothing to it.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 December 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i honestly don't hear kanye "pushing himself" or "upping the ante" on MBDTF any more than most other given artists did this year
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 12 December 2010 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
if fans of this album want "Pink Floyd's DSOTM rockist prism," they can have it.
― da croupier, Sunday, 12 December 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
My Beautiful Dark Side of the Moon
― some dude, Sunday, 12 December 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Side of the Moon, please. and it's not a question of whether we want it or not, it's simply what we're getting, period. and that really is the only way in which MBDTF is at all analogous to SPLHCB: i.e., it's a similar "buy the ticket, take the ride" sorta deal. also, gotta say i'm surprised at some of you Zep-heads making such a big deal of Kanye's questionable moral/ethical stance, re: male-female relations.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
xp to lex: he's certainly not just doing the same old same old, tho. i mean, did anybody here expect Ye to make such a polarizing, monstrous (heh, i know, SB away) record a year or so ago? i sure didn't.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Side of The Wall (to be Off of)
― unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Sunday, 12 December 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:23 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah, never thought the guy who made 808s & Heartbreaks would make such a polarizing record
― some dude, Sunday, 12 December 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
his entire public persona has been based around being polarising and ~monstrous~ (eye-rolling tildes firmly necessary) for YEARS
xp!
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link
also the diddy/dirty money album is everything that people said MBDTF was re: being a fascinatingly self-involved, madly ambitious search for emotion through the prism of the mind of a "monstrous" ego-driven celebrity. SO much better.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i know, but that was an entirely different beast there. this one's more like Graduation pumped up on steroids, or something even worse; a genuinely ugly artifact from top to bottom. again, not a direction i was expecting him to go in.
xp
i'll take your word for that, lex.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link
i recommend you listen to the album too
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link
although that's kinda it, isn't it? kanye's this credible auteur figure in rock/rock-crit world. people are ready and willing and primed to call anything he dribbles a "masterpiece" and cover it in guff about being s0 ugly and monstrous that it's like nothing else. yet diddy covers a lot of the same ground thematically, but actually uses startling imagery and awesome beats and genuine oddity, and people go "nah, not gonna bother" cuz of who he is.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
has it even been released yet?
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't believe everyone is sleeping on this album that isn't even out yet!
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:17 (thirteen years ago) link
when an album leaks it's pretty much out -- also lex is right, it's not like people are gonna pay attention to the diddy record starting next week
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i hadn't even heard about til you mentioned it. maybe cause Diddy has not generally been on my radar recently (and hasn't been since biggie die, actually)? i've been following Kanye for a decade or so, on the other hand, and therefore tend to have a bit more emotional investment in whatever shit he produces. not exactly a big deal/mystery really imo.
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link
no one is really talking about you, specifically
― ad hom alone (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link
no duh!
― You're Twistin' My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Man! (Ioannis), Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link
that post was a xp to lex anyway.
couldn't disagree more with lex re: mbdtf, but the comparison with diddy's album is an apt one. diddy generally does not get enough credit as an auteur imo.
― swvl, Sunday, 12 December 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought being an auteur was the ONLY credit Diddy got; it's not like ppl think he can rhyme, either.
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
also this is some massive generation gap shit:
when an album leaks it's pretty much out
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
diddy mainly gets credit as a businessman, really
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
he gets credit as an impresario/businessman, yes, and probably more than anything as an outsize pop-culture personality -- as seen in his MTV reality shows, his "get him to the greek" role, etc. but i rarely see him spoken about as someone who is very good at putting together a coherent listening experience. which he is!
― swvl, Sunday, 12 December 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
what do we think of the defense being mounted over at no-trivia.com? I think the dude is kind of bending over backwards, especially with stuff like this:
via his delightfully groan-inducing punchlines
but I'd be curious if anyone here would like to pick up any of his points and run with it
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I think one of the pillars of his defense is that "Kanye is in on the joke" or that Kanye is self-aware of how ridiculous his album is. I don't find that to be the case but would love to hear otherwise
― deej me how to whiney (dayo), Monday, 13 December 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
well, i don't think kanye really thinks he's the best living or dead hands down hah
― TamTam Club (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 13 December 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link
really?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 13 December 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
"delightfully groan-inducing"
what?
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
"delightfully nauseating""delightfully headache-inducing""delightfully soul-destroying"
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 13 December 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link