redundant
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
more like Music SMH
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
is it actually worth checking out Deerhunter and The National? I've pretty much avoided them on GP.
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I honestly couldn't think of a band less worth anyone's time than The National
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty much all this points out is that lists by committee (ie lists made by combining a bunch of lists from individual critics) are inevitably going to be safe and boring (duh) and that the individual critic lists are going to be more interesting on their own because they allow for personal tastes/idiosyncracies
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
dan I'm guessing based on what I know about your musical tastes that you might like some Deerhunter songs and probably would not like the National, but obviously I could be wrong
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost, Has anyone said "I wish Pitchfork would publishe individual writers lists" yet, because I love how that chestnut of insight comes back every year like the groundhog seeing his shadow
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I am listening to "Helicopter" by Deerhunter and sort of wonder exactly what the distinction between these guys and Owl City is
okay the chorus is much better but, um, the verses are kind of cloying
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
they're supposed to be a "pop" band too.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah the new Deerhunter album is more pop, you'd probably like their earlier albums more? I don't know, I find them listenable but pretty boring overall.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, December 10, 2010 10:43 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah but you can at least cultivate a group of critics who overlap in more interesting ways than 'what other critics are covering.' i mean, downbeat's list is unlikely to include sleigh bells right? will the source feel obligated to include the national? these are extreme examples, & as much crap as ive given FACT for just incorporating pitchfork values to dance music, at least they serve an audience that doesnt have that attention otherwise, like, they have a reason to exist
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
pitchfork used to publish the individual lists tho didnt they? i thought it was just recently they stopped doing it
― just sayin, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link
"Bloodbuzz Ohio" by The National starts out with some really nice drums and then drowns them in wannabe Coldplay. Sorry guys, but I heard Editors first.
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost we should really talk about that in depth as no one ever brings that crucial detail up in these threads year after year
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
pitchfork should publish the individual lists, i want to know what those guys think!!
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link
so neither Deerhunter nor The National appears to be outright offensive but I can't really envision the universal itch they apparently scratch given their presence on so many of these lists
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Exactly.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost well what im saying is that it's weird ppl would bring that up year after year, when pitchfork published individual lists in 2007 at least.. i mean how many years do you mean by 'year after year'
― just sayin, Friday, 10 December 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
like, as much as I am not a fan of Joanna Newsom, I at least understand what makes her stand out; these guys seem to be the definition of "band you've heard before only with sharper publicists"
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
(lol ITT DJP answers his own questions)
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link
arent the national fairly popular w indie fans? & ive been seeing the name 'deerhunter' on critics lists forever
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
by 'popular w/ indie fans' i mean in the sense that, like, they'll sell way more records than whatever indie buzz artist is big this yr
The National isn't really a "jumps out at you on first listen" kind of band, they have a boring sound but some of their songs are really strong and they grow on you after a while. That being said, their new album is not as good as their last two and I think a lot of the votes for it are just residual good feelings for Boxer and Alligator.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
they're essentially indie rock comfort food
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:57 (thirteen years ago) link
which isn't a put-down
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I think you need to listen to more than just "Helicopter" to get a feel for what Deerhunter does. In fact, I'm not sure why that particular track is getting so much attention (outside of it being the "single") because I can think of 4-5 better tracks on the new album. Try "Desire Lines" for a good taste of the band's talent.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I can see The National growing on me, but not in a "best of the year" way. (Deerhunter does have more potential in that regard even if my first impression of that song was more negative.)
Listening to "The Suburbs" by Arcade Fire and I would likely have more time for them if they had a different singer.
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
title track of the Foals album is surprisingly enjoyable tho!
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link
lol and of course Four Tet
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link
they're essentially indie rock comfort food― congratulations (n/a), Friday, December 10, 2010 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, December 10, 2010 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I'll agree with this sentiment and will add that if you actually need this in your life, recheck your priorities imho.
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I like the Foals album a lot. And Whiney, you are dangerously close to climbing back up on your self-righteous soapbox.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Indie rock comfort food:
"what a day. i wish i could settle into my ikea couch while some boring, bearded people could croon insipid, flavorless pseudo-intellectual pap at me to simultaneously reinforce my feelings of smugness and remind me of my place of white privilege."
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
***holding tongue***
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
flocka flocka bow bow bow
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh for the love of god just shut the fuck up. No one actually cares what you have to say and you have never once been funny.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
quiet everyone, the twitter rock critic is going to teach us about "white privilege"
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there any way one of the coders can add a feature so that Whiney and Deej can't ever post on the same thread again?
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 December 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
in fairness to deej he had nothing to do with this current iteration of Whiney cluelessness
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
the content of my 'post' was 'im saying nothing' fyi
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
first time for everything
― in my world of young puppies (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, i'm sorry i'm being such a troll on this thread this morning, i'll stop
the latest turn of this thread is like a morning cup of coffee
i feel like i can start my day now
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway
as much as i love the deadboy remix of "fireworks" the "official girl" remix is pretty dreadful as matt attests
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
it's funny that it seems like everyone agreed in the kanye thread this was a record w/ no singles, and yet here we are & every list is putting "power" or "runaway" (this one is esp rmde to me) in their top 10s
i'll big up fact for "shut it down" tho, that's a jam (altho as is typical w/ a small percentage of r&b nowadays, the leaked version was better than the one that ended up on the album)
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
has that hot chip album made a lot of lists, im too lazy to look. Sort of craptacular that.
― Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
it's their best album!
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i think runaway makes more sense as a single to vote for! its weird in line w/ the rest of the album, and def feels less generic, for all its flaws, than 'pwer'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
if youre the kind of person who likes the album then 'runaway' is def the kind of song you would be feeling, is what im saying
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ this rings true
― BO (DJP), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
remind me of my place of white privilege
i don't really like the nat'l much. but why, exactly, do you say their music "reinforces its audiences' notions about white privilege"?
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 10 December 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link