Is this anti-semitism?

was agreeing with you mr HM

I know I'll probably piss someone off here but I hate it when Americans with no ties to the middle east just spout off about Israel with this vague criticism of American Jews. I am not Jewish but sometimes I get the vibe that some people don't feel comfortable around Jews or maybe don't trust them. This seems illiterate and un-American to me, it is shocking to encounter, but I have encountered it from people who are not racist activists or "Zioni$m" nutcases.

Jews have no future in Holland'

By Michel Zlotowski, December 9, 2010

Due to the growing hostility ofa large part of Holland's Muslim population, Dutch Jews should emigrate to the United States or to Israel, said Frits Bolkestein, former European Commissioner and ex-leader of Holland's ruling right-wing VVD party.

The statement appeared in the book Het Verval (The Decline), written by Manfred Gerstenfeld, a Netherlands-born Holocaust survivor and senior researcher at the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs.

The book, published last week, examines the attitude of the Dutch Protestant Church towards Jews and argues that antisemitism is not restricted to people of Muslim background in the Netherlands.

pretty sure it's the dutch police that run a force of, er, 'decoy jews', ie cops dressed in orthodox attire in order to bait racists

also, this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00c342p

I think the US has tons of passive anti-Semitism, not like hate but a lack of familiarity with or appreciation for Jews.

There are lots of places in the US where those who live there have possibly never met a Jewish person in their lives. So the whole "lack of familiarity with or appreciation for" is kind of a given?

i dunno enough about the netherlands but i dread hearing such 'no future' rhetoric directed at/coming from british jews

at a certain point u gotta cut your losses.....but i don't think a few jihadi degenerates have made things that bad

of course the education of young muslims is a wider issue, and isn't helped by our lack of any apparent foreign policy goals not sourced from washington (i digress)

oh yeah i personally wouldn't subscribe to any 'no future' rhetoric, not least because i enjoy aggro, but i do think it is seriously worthy of concern as to how blithely people disregard overt displays of hatred or seek to hold all jews accountable for israel etc

again i still think you gotta think of violence/threats separately from left/liberal 'intellectual' antisemitism.....even if they have a cumulative effect

most ppl don't care about israel one way or the other

admittedly i don't associate with a lot of leftists but i'd be fairly confident that someone who srsly suggested israeli state policy was an issue about jews in general would be told to stfu in most circles

again i still think you gotta think of violence/threats separately from left/liberal 'intellectual' antisemitism.....even if they have a cumulative effect

i think they're both worthy of concern tbqh

i'd be fairly confident that someone who srsly suggested israeli state policy was an issue about jews in general would be told to stfu in most circles

i wouldn't

admittedly i don't associate with a lot of leftists

this is all going in your file

i think they're both worthy of concern tbqh

did i say otherwise

i wouldn't

ha i had second thoughts about that after posting

if ppl don't object to rhetoric like that, it's more likely cuz they are being timid/nonconfrontational/english than cuz they share it

anything to avoid an upset etc

only reason i joined combat 18 tbh, the awkward pause after i was invited was killing me

will ye have a cup of nuremberg tea

anything to avoid an upset etc

really wish i had yr faith

u gotta spend less time with elderly french film directors

someone who srsly suggested israeli state policy was an issue about jews in general

you realize this is how a lot of pro-Israelis frame their defenses of various monstrosities

should have seen the mess that guy made of my rug xp

casual-to-virulent anti-muslim sentiment seems far more prevalent in the UK to me than anti-semitism so this is quite a surprise but admittedly i never thought/knew much about increased security/fears at jewish schools and it all seems significantly more outside the radar

seems likely they feed off each other

nearly 7 times as many muslims as jews in the uk as well

casual-to-virulent anti-muslim sentiment seems far more prevalent in the UK to me than anti-semitism

Yeah this has seemed to be the case to me too.

Never in my life have I heard or overheard anyone ragging on Jewish people, obv I'm not a statistically worthwhile sampling in myself I guess. really it's off my radar too.

casual-to-virulent anti-muslim sentiment seems far more prevalent in the UK to me than anti-semitism

would venture this is true in the US as well

French dude just told me same about France.

something about muslim faith schools here but seems like their quantity and profile isn't quite high enough here to have caused the same concerns

when did the term 'faith schools' become commonplace? guessing within last 10 years in common with rebranding of oldtime fire and brimstone religion as new inclusive communitarian right-thinking ~faith~ [via t blair]

sigh http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12350913

I'm glad I don't live there!

It's really not that bad

In Worcester, someone daubed the word "Jew" on a pavement, accompanied by an arrow pointing towards a drain.

!!!!!!

It wasn't me, honest

It's really not that bad

I know what you mean, but all the same I'm guessing that only a fraction of incidents ever get reported.

ohoh louis theroux is trending already

ooh twitter racism outbreak has brought on the er 'fail whale'

DG - that report says incidents are down by a third from last year. Isn't the trend the important thing?

they're down because the previous year had a spike, the overall trend is upward

so yes, it is

I can't see the figures before 2000 in that CST report. Do you have them?

no but feel free to email the cst, i'm sure they'd be happy to hear from you

Also, it's good that the CST publicise such incidents, but I'm unclear how they control for changes in reporting and recording behaviour over the years, which is important if their data is to be used to make longitudinal comparisons. Even they say that the rise "partly reflects the increased size and scope of the CST's work, and better reporting rates to CST from the Jewish community".

well i dont work for them so like i say, feel free to email them to quiz them about their methodology

But it doesn't interest you too?

lol, what are you hoping to gain from checking out the methodology? "oh look, methodological problems. UK is just as anti-semitic as its ever been, not significantly more."

we could probably save a bit of bandwidth if you just said what you wanted to say instead of trying to nudge me towards some sort of exciting revelation of my damning misunderstanding of stats nick

I suspect you understand stats as well as I do. I'm not trying to say anything other than expressing a certain scepticism about the way stats get pushed in press releases to journalists. If asked to guess, I'd say that there was a real, depressing, spike in antisemitic incidents last year, that it's subsiding and that the longer-term trend is flattish.

I'm probably not going to email the CST questions because I'm lazy and would vaguely worry about being mistaken for some weird antisemite obsessing over their work.

well i'm glad yr optimistic but i'm not feeling it myself

wonder what he said

http://fashion.telegraph.co.uk/news-features/TMG8347082/John-Galliano-suspended-by-Dior-following-arrest-over-anti-semitic-rant.html

http://www.leparisien.fr/laparisienne/actu-people/antisemitisme-presume-galliano-suspendu-de-ses-fonctions-chez-dior-25-02-2011-1331441.php

Le Parisien is reporting that he said, «Dirty jewish face, you should be dead», and «Fucking Asian bastard, I will kill you». That first one sounds odd. "Sale tête de juif" is a perfectly traditional anti-Semitic thing to say in French but who would say that in English? Maybe he was speaking Franglish.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2011/02/medium_snyderbg.jpg

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/02/AR2011020206136.html?sid=ST2011020202710

oh glenn

not so shocked about the reform rabbis claim as I am rmde at alleging that Holocaust-survivor George Soros collaborated with the Nazis to send Jews to death camps