Hip Hop taken to new levels.

"The assumption"? from whom?

James.
You are asking for whiter hip hop.
Admit it.

I think hip hop has been asking for whiter hip hop since it was born. I love that footage of Afrika Bambaata raving about Gary Numan and him DJing it back in the day. Kraftwerk anyone?

(You know, white guys like Numan and Hutter And Schneider who use "instruments")

Different from the race of the artist. Bambaataa created music in the hip hop aesthetic, which of course overlaps rock music in a good 50% of its values.

Know what's a great song?

PS: Seriously, check out World Destruction.
R-R-R-Reagan.

Ah, so "white-ification" = "long instrumental solos"... like Jimi Hendrix, or almost all of jazz.

This whole over-analyzing and adjective-laden term assignment about the AESTHETIC of hip hop is just really boggling. I'm very eager about the history of hip-hop, as it is VERY fascinating, but discussing this any further at this point is like arguing over what "punk" means, as opposed to just talking about the "roots" of punk or whatever.

Although I hope we never have a Paul Simon/ Peter Gabriel of hip hop.

Though it's funny that ddrake considers this track "bridging" the hip-hop aesthetic, as I thought it was just Bill Laswell wanking over large glam rock beats with two guys shouting awkwardly over it.

as far as hip hop threads go, some have turned the discarded Mind/Body split into pure Body -- as if that is what Hip Hop is supposed to be, though it never has been from the very beginning. The fascism of the Rump is as smothering as the fascism of the Mind.

I think the original poster got so much heat because he seemed to have this misconception about what rap is, and then he suggested it should be made more "progressive" by elements, which are either not progressive or already exist in rap. So, before you criticize rap for being "not progressive", you should listen to it a bit more.

Uh, Wyclef Jean?

The next NWW project, which Stapleton is working on at the moment, is going to be a hip-hop album. It will also feature a very talented female rapper.

Film at eleven.

stence where do you think I live? this his puzzling the hell out of me

what I said:

it's foul enough to make you reexamine anything you might've thought about his previous work

I'd stand by that, and don't think it's actually that reactionary a position from a critical standpoint

3. Unusal or experimental vocal intonation and phrasing. Or vocal lines processed electronically with more than just a vocoder.

Lyrics Born. If you're not J3ss H4rv3ll, you may likey a lot. He's very chameleonic and unprecedented. And funky as fuck.

4. Hip hop with heavy use of non-western influences and sounds (African, Indian, Asian) or peripheral western sounds. And not just a programmed beep vaguely rooted in a non-western scale.

MODERN HIP-HOP RADIO TO THREAD

Unrap: a collection of hip hop cuts from the left

Lewis Parker 'Shadow Of Autumn'
Earthling 'Nefisa'
Anti-Pop Consortium 'Ghost Lawns'
Optical 'Reckless Dub'
Funkstorung 'Grammy Winners'
DJ Shadow 'Midnight In A Perfect World (GAB mix)'
MC Solaar 'Le Concubline De Hemogbline'

what else?

what are you getting at fiddo?

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