Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

i've been looking forward to the "monster" video since i heard the song

i wish jay-z's verse wasn't as bad as it is - kanye's grew on me enough to be listenable, but having to fwd through the middle section every time is such a vibe-killer

yeah it looks kind of incredible, altho i felt immediate sympathy for that one model

lol the one who had to kiss kanye rather than the one who was HANGED, right?

lol "had to kiss kanye" is a very mild way of describing what happened there

It's not bad so much as vacuous; it adds or subtracts nothing.

I don't think Jay's verse is that bad (although I do cop to laughing at it more than enjoying it)

ps: LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHVE!

That video kind of looks amazing.

^^

i enjoy jay's verse. like the vegas-era of his career

i mean, its total un-felt garbage obv, but theres something so ridic about it

Vegas era without a "Suspicious Minds."

lol i'd settle for jay's "poke salad annie" at this point

kids at the college where i work are reenacting this thread in real life
a: "have you heard the new kanye album? he's so creative. have you seen the runaway movie? it's like a whole movie."
b: "i don't like kanye. he's a little bitch."

now they're listening to the album on one of the campus computers and one them is rapping along very quietly and poorly

better or worse than kanye's own rapping, y/n

if IRL kids are making two different arguments how is deej going to know what opinion to have?

hey buddy for the 9000th time the point is that ppl are making arguments at all, and that your bubble conception of 'consensus' is usually mad distorted

like, ive never once acted like a populism-only music critic so stop claiming i am one.

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hey buddy

my argument has been for ages that some stuff is underrepresented on what 'the charts' are generally thought to be, that just cuz some stuff sells better than others doesnt mean its actually more popular -- just that its audience is more likely to spend $ on music

ergo, stfu

nah dude knock the trolling off. u & al's obsession w/ my 'in my world of young ppl' statement is anti-intellectual bullshit

now the grad student worker, who wasn't even here for the earlier discussion, just walked by my desk singing to himself "aaaare you willling ... to sacrifiiiice your liiiiife"

wouldn't the true intellectuals like me and sir alfred shipley not give a fuck what a bunch of kids think?

alfred lord shiposyn to you

anti-intellectual roffles

no whiney im well aware that anything that could be construed as 'informative' isnt really useful for someone busy making fun of hipsters in 2010

shouldnt you be patting yourself on the back for arguing that music criticm's golden years were the ones where people of 'stumble culture' would stumble on your rewritten pr schlock in spin magazine

& lol @ al "i voted for lemonade once it hit top 40" shipley not caring about 'the kids'

sorry forgot to googleproof

just want to make sure that you mean that "your" is directed at my writing in particular instead of a general "your" of Spin writing before i move in for the Mortal Kombat style fatalies on you

for fuck's sake GO AWAY BOTH OF YOU

or at least get a private room. cripes, shit is embarrassing.

i mean, you guys think we're annoying, but HOW DO KIDS FEEL?

i'm banned again aren't I?

the internet is probably bad for everyone but far worse for some

a few weeks in, i still like this record a lot, am still disgusted by it on a real level but in a way that doesn't interfere with the enjoyment, and "devil in a new dress" still sucks almost as bad as chris rock & fergie. except i don't die when i fail to move fast enough to skip the first notes of "devil". surprised that it's had this much staying power, as i assumed it'd be something i'd marvel at for a week or two then never want to hear again.

re dead & stinking prog argument: it's not like people were senselessly projecting that term onto the album. on such an excessive and (endlessly) arguably "ambitious" album, frontloading an obvious king crimson sample and building several other tracks around prog-era vocal samples that sound like jon anderson (oldfield and manfred mann tracks) tends to invite the comparison. so the discussion upthread was on-point: does it really make sense to call it a "prog rap" album, once you've processed the fact that kanye is taking tips from prog and vaguely proggish rock?

re dead & stinking prog argument:

stop fucking the corpse then, you necro

I am intentionally ignoring your attempt to revive the prog argument in favor of saying that I really like the tracks on here that I like and I really dislike the tracks on here that I dislike. I initially thought I liked the likes enough to pull this album into my personal top 10 but it turns out this has more in common with MAYA than I originally thought (contains some of my favorite songs of the year but deeply deeply flawed as an album).

is it a fact that he's "taking tips"? when people sample little bits of old records, especially Kanye, and especially songs like "Power" where he basically heard another producer submit the beat to Rhymefest and decided to use it and add some stuff, I don't really picture him sitting there listening to the entire King Crimson LP and being substantially influenced by it.

i liked this album more on my last couple albums than i did initially but it's still kind of just sitting there, doesn't really move me, physically or emotionally.

on my last couple LISTENS

nah, it's clearly art-rap - more Bowie than Yes.

xps

sometimes, when I'm in the right mood, the ludicrous codas make me laugh; most of the time I just skip them (except, weirdly, for "Blame Game", I think because of the Aphex sample)

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well that was necessary

whose dark twisted fantasy is this?

is it a fact that he's "taking tips"?

i knew someone was gonna swing at that.

anyway, MAYA seems a good comparison, in that they're both identity-defining event albums from stars who've risen over the past 5 years, and they've attracted a lot of attention weird little pocket universe where pitchfork indie intersects with pop. and they're both kind of a mess, defensive products of people who seem to wall themselves up behind a sense of embattlement and paranoia. and i like them both, though i wouldn't call either a favorite. in some ways, they're more fun to reflect on, raise an eyebrow at and/or talk about than to listen to.

multi-xpost: "art-rap" is good — I still kinda like "glam-rap" but that doesn't seem like it's gonna catch on (oh well)

I don't think MAYA is a mess at all.

It's sonically surprising but of a piece.

"...a lot of attention in the weird little pocket universe..."

^ note

The middle section of MAYA still feels like a lazy copout to me, like taking the "oh I'll just record any old shit" vibe of "Mango Pickle Down River" and extending it over three consecutive tracks.

"Teqkilla", "Lovalot" and "Illygirl" own tho