still, he'll break 1M by year's end.
i'm guessing ye olde G.O.O.D. Fridays are done at this point, hah?
― LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
are you rooting for him?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i guess i am, alfred. of course, i also root for the yankees. (but not the patriots.)
― LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I got sucked into a WoW vortex (and am about to head back into it for the evening) but I still don't get the "it's disgusting but I'm not disgusted by it" argument. It seems to be impossible by definition; it's a given that the reaction is subjective, so what's wrong with owning up to it? Sometimes the visceral reaction is a better guideline than the reasoned reaction, etc etc.
Like, I'm not objecting to NS's indictment of the album, I am objecting to what feels like a blatantly dishonest expression of that indictment that I can't take seriously. Which is probably not helpful.
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont see how theres something wrong with asking ppl to use honest critical assessments in negative reviews, even if they feel 'strongly' about it, that there are aspects of this record that we can all hear similarly while disagreeing/agreeing on whether or not those particular strategies work for the artist in question
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
seems to me that he's saying it's disgusting (for whatever reasons he listed) but that he's so desensitized at this point/expects this shit from kanye & friends that he's not gonna make a big deal about it?
xp
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm attracted to albums produced by white middle-aged men in the midst of sexual hysteria: Death of a Ladies Man, Gaucho, Empire Burlesque. I find their self-absorption revolting and fascinating. But they're much better examples of craft than Kanye's.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
btw did anyone else see the teaser clip for the "Monster" video?
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/12/kanye_monster_trailer.html
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
oh boy
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
(that's what made me bring that whole thing back up; dude appears to be channeling Saw)
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda excited abt this
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah it looks kind of incredible, altho i felt immediate sympathy for that one model
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
really too bad they couldn't have figured out a spot for bon iver as well
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i've been looking forward to the "monster" video since i heard the song
i wish jay-z's verse wasn't as bad as it is - kanye's grew on me enough to be listenable, but having to fwd through the middle section every time is such a vibe-killer
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
lol the one who had to kiss kanye rather than the one who was HANGED, right?
lol "had to kiss kanye" is a very mild way of describing what happened there
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not bad so much as vacuous; it adds or subtracts nothing.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think Jay's verse is that bad (although I do cop to laughing at it more than enjoying it)
ps: LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHVE!
― BO (DJP), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
That video kind of looks amazing.
― rihanna refurbished my dick (rennavate), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
^^
― markers, Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i enjoy jay's verse. like the vegas-era of his career
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, its total un-felt garbage obv, but theres something so ridic about it
Vegas era without a "Suspicious Minds."
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
lol i'd settle for jay's "poke salad annie" at this point
― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 December 2010 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
kids at the college where i work are reenacting this thread in real lifea: "have you heard the new kanye album? he's so creative. have you seen the runaway movie? it's like a whole movie."b: "i don't like kanye. he's a little bitch."
now they're listening to the album on one of the campus computers and one them is rapping along very quietly and poorly
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 9 December 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
better or worse than kanye's own rapping, y/n
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
if IRL kids are making two different arguments how is deej going to know what opinion to have?
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
hey buddy for the 9000th time the point is that ppl are making arguments at all, and that your bubble conception of 'consensus' is usually mad distorted
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
like, ive never once acted like a populism-only music critic so stop claiming i am one.
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nndb.com/people/172/000026094/the-weasel.jpghey buddy
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link
my argument has been for ages that some stuff is underrepresented on what 'the charts' are generally thought to be, that just cuz some stuff sells better than others doesnt mean its actually more popular -- just that its audience is more likely to spend $ on music
ergo, stfu
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
nah dude knock the trolling off. u & al's obsession w/ my 'in my world of young ppl' statement is anti-intellectual bullshit
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
now the grad student worker, who wasn't even here for the earlier discussion, just walked by my desk singing to himself "aaaare you willling ... to sacrifiiiice your liiiiife"
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
wouldn't the true intellectuals like me and sir alfred shipley not give a fuck what a bunch of kids think?
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
alfred lord shiposyn to you
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
anti-intellectual roffles
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
no whiney im well aware that anything that could be construed as 'informative' isnt really useful for someone busy making fun of hipsters in 2010
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
shouldnt you be patting yourself on the back for arguing that music criticm's golden years were the ones where people of 'stumble culture' would stumble on your rewritten pr schlock in spin magazine
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
& lol @ al "i voted for lemonade once it hit top 40" shipley not caring about 'the kids'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry forgot to googleproof
just want to make sure that you mean that "your" is directed at my writing in particular instead of a general "your" of Spin writing before i move in for the Mortal Kombat style fatalies on you
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
for fuck's sake GO AWAY BOTH OF YOU
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
or at least get a private room. cripes, shit is embarrassing.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, you guys think we're annoying, but HOW DO KIDS FEEL?
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm banned again aren't I?
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
the internet is probably bad for everyone but far worse for some
― omar little, Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
a few weeks in, i still like this record a lot, am still disgusted by it on a real level but in a way that doesn't interfere with the enjoyment, and "devil in a new dress" still sucks almost as bad as chris rock & fergie. except i don't die when i fail to move fast enough to skip the first notes of "devil". surprised that it's had this much staying power, as i assumed it'd be something i'd marvel at for a week or two then never want to hear again.
re dead & stinking prog argument: it's not like people were senselessly projecting that term onto the album. on such an excessive and (endlessly) arguably "ambitious" album, frontloading an obvious king crimson sample and building several other tracks around prog-era vocal samples that sound like jon anderson (oldfield and manfred mann tracks) tends to invite the comparison. so the discussion upthread was on-point: does it really make sense to call it a "prog rap" album, once you've processed the fact that kanye is taking tips from prog and vaguely proggish rock?
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 December 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
re dead & stinking prog argument:
stop fucking the corpse then, you necro
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I am intentionally ignoring your attempt to revive the prog argument in favor of saying that I really like the tracks on here that I like and I really dislike the tracks on here that I dislike. I initially thought I liked the likes enough to pull this album into my personal top 10 but it turns out this has more in common with MAYA than I originally thought (contains some of my favorite songs of the year but deeply deeply flawed as an album).
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
is it a fact that he's "taking tips"? when people sample little bits of old records, especially Kanye, and especially songs like "Power" where he basically heard another producer submit the beat to Rhymefest and decided to use it and add some stuff, I don't really picture him sitting there listening to the entire King Crimson LP and being substantially influenced by it.
― Local Hardman (some dude), Thursday, 9 December 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link