Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

lol the least of this album's problems is that it is "misogynistic"

was just talking about the skit. there are 100s of problems here. power is p much the only thing stopping this from being an 01.0 in my mind.

(oh and ross&chef)

it's funny--i was really not looking forward to relistening to this but i did get through about half of it yesterday.

i really don't find it contemptible, it's just boring.

do try not to wet yourself with indignation hoy

are all shops stocking the DVD edition with the original banned cover then, or just a select few that got orders in early ?

Great review Al.

It's like if Pete Townshend came out with a new epic rock opera that sounded just like his other ones, and everyone gave him an enthusiastic pat on the back just for trying.

honestly some dude thanks for articulating that album perfectly

i'm going to try to listen to it again today if i can take it. but it exhausts me, not in a good way....

it's kind of like a dinner guest that won't ever shut up during dinner than won't ever leave

it's total urban legend/media hype that the cover was banned, Def Jam said "Walmart might not like this" early on and Kanye overreacted on Twitter, i think the original and the pixellated one and the alt covers are all in print and available

the Townshend thing was a variation on something I said on this thread and it got shot down a bit, but i still stand by it. there are some artists that just make "big and ambitious" part of their aesthetic identity and Kanye is just one of them.

i like that analogy cuz it forces us to think about what "ambitious" really means - it doesn't exist in a vacuum and should be contextualised w/r/t specific expectations of an artist

have only seen the ballerina cover so far in engerland

lex do you even know who townsend is?

hahahaha yes but mainly for the ch1ld p0rn thing

(that was him right? i haven't heard his music though i was aware of what their "thing" was)

he set the standard for the cathelic church to go after deaf boys (and dumb/blind/good at pinball).

that is him. famous for wanting to fuck kids, doing a stupid windmill motion on his guitar, being in a shitty band with a crazy drummer who wrote, *cough* rock operas.

he set the standard for creative uses of credit cards.

baba o reilly >>> anything on this album

John Entwhistle's songwriting canon >>>>>> anything on this album.

baba o reilly >>> anything on this album

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, December 7, 2010 10:34 AM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so basically 4-minute pointless violin solo in the middle of a song >>> 4-minute pointless autotune solo at the end of a song

so many challops so little time.

moratorium on mentioning any rock musicians itt please

just itt?

also does that mean no kanye now he has become blipster king?

boy i hate pointless solos -- instrumental passages should always have a thesis statement and supporting argument imo

seriously don't drag the who further into this discourse of kanye

ha i kind of like the autotune solo, i just thought the parallel was interesting. esp because I think most people just remember the awesome chorus of baba o'riley and not all the other boring crap in that song

i kinda like the actual sound and effect of his voice at the end of runaway, but still don't think it was worth doing

missed like two weeks of this thread but I'm gonna say that:

the fact that I can think of my 10 least favorite "Malibooyah reupholsted my pussy sarcophagus king of leona lewis jagger LOOOOOOVE" moments on this album and can only think of one line I love and its from Ross says a lot about why this album isn't the best ever

you gave it a 9 out of 10 though

yeah, its totally amazing, but like seriously, seriously, seriously flawed. And not in a way where you can bullshit it up with "the SWALLOWSHIP imperfections are what make it good"

idk dude a 9 outta 10 is basically saying to me that the flaws aint much of a thing

welcome back btw

ross has a nice verse but lol @ him saying "ciphered with yeezy before he got his jaw wired"...sure you did

oh no, rick ross told a lie!

LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

i just thought it was funny :?

i believe i also saw brandon soderberg say on tumblr that it was impossible for kanye to have ciphered w/ yeezy before his mouth was wired, but it should be pointed out that ross had a verse on the same trina album that had the kanye produced "b r right" on it, so i'll just say that it's not out of the question

he probably did tho, I remember hearing an early Ross track produced by Kanye...

ross has a nice verse but lol @ him saying "ciphered with yeezy before he got his jaw wired"...sure you did

― EIEIoOoOO (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, December 7, 2010 6:22 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no idea if it's true but it's at least plausible, Kanye produced for Trina before the accident back when Ross was just another rapper on Slip-N-Slide (xpost)

maybe their ghostwriters ciphered with each other back then

Yeah I mean, maybe Ross didn't RHYME with Yeezy, but he probably was just like, "MAKE ME A DAMN BEAT." Hence: http://realniggatumblr.tumblr.com/post/1202917391/rick-ross-talk-to-me-ghetto-monopoly-2003

But that could just be Yeezy talking shit over the track and not him producing it, although it sounds like a Ye beat.

maybe he just means that he+his bros used to freestyle over kanye instrumentals and be like "damn, these beats are hot"

anybody know what this sold in week two?

108k, dropped to #7 below Boyle, Swift, BEP, and multiple Glee and/or Christmas albums

damn, yo. this economy/the internets, etc.

http://www.billboard.com/#/news/susan-boyle-likely-to-return-to-billboard-1004133389.story

merry christmas, dipshits

still, he'll break 1M by year's end.

i'm guessing ye olde G.O.O.D. Fridays are done at this point, hah?

are you rooting for him?

yeah, i guess i am, alfred. of course, i also root for the yankees. (but not the patriots.)

I got sucked into a WoW vortex (and am about to head back into it for the evening) but I still don't get the "it's disgusting but I'm not disgusted by it" argument. It seems to be impossible by definition; it's a given that the reaction is subjective, so what's wrong with owning up to it? Sometimes the visceral reaction is a better guideline than the reasoned reaction, etc etc.

Like, I'm not objecting to NS's indictment of the album, I am objecting to what feels like a blatantly dishonest expression of that indictment that I can't take seriously. Which is probably not helpful.