2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

good zing but still feeling :-/ about mccain polling

538 has mccain over obama in electoral votes for the first time today

this shouldn't even be theoretically possible

I mean Jesus Christ

im telling you, i lived in ohio for 4 yrs. those dudes sell confed flags at the state fair as if they were entirely unaware that ohio isnt in the south. some racisty shit goes down there, and palin would have huge appeal

this shouldn't even be theoretically possible

It looks like the site has Colorado red now. Iowa and New Mexico aren't enough to stem the tide.

My 80 yr. old grandma is a Dem election-watcher in rural Ohio and got called a "n****r-lover" by my great-uncle for supporting Obama. Other relatives I have there are some of the only people I know who are truly undecided voters, it's pretty crazy.

The part where Josh Marshall pops up and gives the facts is pretty lame, but I hope the Obama campaign is compiling all of McCain's blatant lies for a hard-hitting "McCain is a liar, just like Bush" ad in October.

Americans racist shockah

i don't think the problem is limited to ohio.

srsly guys elections are like basketball games, when its this close only the last 2 minutes matter

The part where Josh Marshall pops up and gives the facts is pretty lame

You'd rather they hire Crazy Eddie?

this shouldn't even be theoretically possible

but it's theocratically possible, amirite?

obama is better at basketball!

good thinking ev

actually its pretty interesting how the racial dynamic has figured into this election - nobody wants to talk about it, and no one wants to accuse anyone of being racist or even talk about the possibility that maybe people won't vote for Obama because they are racist; racism in America has been shamed into the closet over the lost couple decades, its something next to no one will admit to anymore. So even though it should be abundantly clear that swathes of the country are jittery about Obama almost solely because he's a black man it gets coded into these more subtle variations (a la "Obama has trouble connecting with white lower-income voters" etc.)

srsly guys elections are like basketball games, when its this close only the last 2 minutes matter

― ♠♣♥♦¾ (max), Friday, September 12, 2008 2:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is otm

very much so

It's not worth talking about racism at this point if you're working for Obama; you're not going to solve that in 50 days. "God grant me the serenity" etc.

http://obamahotly.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/obama-basketball.jpg

^^clutch!!

yeah I know I'm just remarking on the general trend of the campaign. to be fair, McCain has not engaged in any Willie Horton-style antics (may still happen, who knows) but it seems pretty clear to me that a lot of the electorate's lingering "suspicions" about Obama are thinly veiled "I don't like that uppity negro"-style sentiments. Now, Obama can't rightly characterize any voting bloc as such, and there isn't much he can do beyond be as appealling as possible, I'm just noting it as an interesting dynamic. 30 years ago there would've been a lot more bald-faced racist rhetoric around Obama, this time racism has had to cloak itself in much more genteel terms.

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http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/09/12/obamamccain_narrowweb__300x383,0.jpg

http://blog.mlive.com/kzgazette/2008/06/large_obamaMccain.jpg

mccain has absolutely engaged in willie horton antics!

like what?

the sex ed ad for fuxake.

god everybody start writing your local newspapers -- next reporter that uses the terms 'straight talk' or 'maverick' or expresses disbelief that his beloved john mccain is running a lying sleazebag campaign doesn't deserve his job

I think the sex ad is kinda stretching the definition there, blatant misrepresentation though it was. Its appeal wasn't based so much to racism as it was to religious fundies who hate sex ed.

the laughing black man wants to talk to your five year old about sex?

at least willie horton did actually get out of jail and kill someone.

Relax Obama, vent acts have got your back.
http://www.buzzflash.com/store/images/1267_200.jpg

Whoa. The ladies at "The View" were pretty tough on McCain.

This shit has got to be coming to a head. Even considering the pedestrian ridiculousness of a presidential campaign, it seems inconceivable that the GOP ticket can just completely make up stuff day after day after day with impunity.

posted upthread Alfred

well the press is getting pretty sick of it (Joe Klein of all people is foaming at the mouth about the kindergarten ad, daily calling McCain a liar)

but how that manifests itself in daily coverage -- what it would look like if the press completely turns against McCain and whether it would matter .... I'm not sure

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like, if / when another lipstick on a pig comes along, some "controversy" that McCain and Drudge are pushing hard, will the media be able to get off that crack pipe? doubtful

Meanwhile, searching for a "Drunks for Obama" site/sign, I found this:

O'Reilly has drunk the Obama kool-aid

Posted on Fri Aug 29 2008 17:08:11 GMT-0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) by Joiseydude

Discussing Palin, first thing out of his mouth is that she is under investigation, The next is she has "Scant" experience. He went on to say that Obama convinced him last night that he (Obama) is OK...

I, sadly, admit the media's gonna play a key role here insofar as McCain Palin are basically lying blatantly on a daily basis and that kind of thing can't be countered without their complicity.

(er, terrible sentence structure, I mean it can't be countered without the media's help_

on the other hand McCain used to get his message in the lede of a story and only get called out in some 10th graf he said-she said

now a lot of coverage is starting to look like this:

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer
52 minutes ago
NEW YORK - Republican presidential candidate John McCain on Friday defended two debunked television ads attacking Democrat Barack Obama and claimed erroneously that running mate Sarah Palin never sought money for lawmakers' pet projects as Alaska governor.

so maybe the lying liars frame will get some traction, who knows

xpost but same thing Shakey's talking about

headline of that story is "McCain fumbles Palin's record on earmark requests "

God, McCain is going to be such an awful President

that's the spirit!

i think palin will be a worse president when mccain dies

more Independents like this plz

well, with fewer "sugar tits" refs if you don't mind

yeah he goes a little overboard there

more independents who editorials read like left-leaning Dennis Miller routines?

yeah, classism like that is a real winner

upping the poltical discourse with the words Fucking Moron in the headline. nice.

what the hell, though, intelligent adult discourse doesn't seem to be working, might as well do what we do every four years and throw everything at the wall to see if any of it sticks

SARAH PALIN FUCKS PENGUINS

perhaps I should clarify that what I meant was "more independents who are not into Palin" and not necessarily "more independents who rant, sometimes using inappropriate rhetoric"

i have never heard of this brilliant website before.