Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

Hostel (feat. Eli Roth)

would listen to a concept album about kanye running a hotel

(o-or a hostel)

fuggin typos *sigh*

But I don’t think I’ve ever actually been disgusted by an album. I still haven’t. But I do think MBDTF is disgusting.

Is it just me or does this not really make any sense?

HOSTEL HOSTEL
TOURISTS JUST STOP DERE
EVERYBODY KNOW I RUN A MUTHERFUCKIN HOSTEL

if today's the day to link our blog rants against this album, here's mine: http://narrowcast.blogspot.com/2010/12/last-week-i-did-my-usual-monthly-report.html

ha that's the least ranty negative review that's been posted so far

Don't think my monocle dropped into my cup of Lady Grey, but I did exclaim to my wife "fucking hell, this is just unpleasant". I'm in my 30s, I'm very happily married, I can't find any conscionable reason to listen to horrifically misogynistic tripe, ESPECIALLY when the production and tunes are shite.

I think its perfectly acceptable to think something is horrible without being horrified by it; I'm not outraged in a Daily Mail sense, I just have no place in my life for nastiness like this and am baffled how anyone with a similar set of life circumstances to me could. The world's nasty enough without pop music being fucking horrible and hateful too.

so you're saying you don't get how any married adult listens to rap?

the kanye album did not strike me as being particularly nasty or morally horrific?

i like al's rant.

i don't think it's entirely productive to take the angle nick's taking, but i do like this last part:

Kanye’s beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy has no beauty, and if the desire to wear expensive clothes, drive supercars, treat women badly, and have nasty sport/porn-sex is dark, and twisted, rather than shallow and thoughtless, then I’m missing something that I don’t want to make an effort to understand.

it's like oh i'm so dark and perverse but it's all pretty much your standard materialist straight guy shit

al, as a married adult, how do you stand rap music

All married adults everywhere are the same, yes, exactly. Likewise all rap. Totally. Yes, thats what I said.

while my wife's at work my son and i listen to mixtapes. we've got yelawolf on right now.

i don't mind pop music about kinky sex or shit like that. "Bad Romance" is a great example of that kind of thing; nothing on MBDSMF is.

i like that the tone of some dude's "rant" is pretty even and balanced. i don't get critics that complain about the hyperbole of the overwhelming positive hype and 10.0 ratings and then turn around hyperbolize the opposite direction, all hair-pulling and teeth-gnashing

I don't think I was teeth-gnashing, certainly not compared to how I used to. I was going for baffled disappointment and distaste.

to be fair i got a lot of my more argumentative points and hair-pulling out of my system on this thread first

My own take from a couple of weeks ago.

I think my key feeling about this record is that if someone caught me listening to it I'd feel embarrassed.

al thats a really good review!

Yeah, Al, the U2 comparison was spot-on (although I think the U2 album sold less than its predecessors).

the U2 is where it loses me, because this feels like a more erm 'relevant' record -- more w/ the zeitgeist & less pulling by purely on classic rock bono-fides etc -- but other than that im pretty much w/ it

it being al's review

Well, we'll find out by February whether MDTF has staying power.

oh its gonna top pnj im sure

yeah the whole year i felt like there might be some genuine suspense around what would p&j but there's no way this doesn't waltz to the top

staying power /= topping P&J

what = staying power?

we'll know in february i guess?

commercial success. I mentioned the U2 album because it fell off the chart quickly after topping it and produced no hits.

vmas = staying power

i said this upthread but most of kanye's albums have one or two singles doing well months and months after release -- jesus walks, touch the sky, flashing lights, etc. -- i'm curious if this will have one, because i have no idea what song that hasn't already been a single on here could have legs

i think hed argue its not really a 'singles' album anyway, but obv monster has legs

i mean well singles released after the album's release -- "Monster" was out before the album and might have even peaked already

isn't this precisely the type of album where if it fails in the market it burnishes it's rep as much as any hit status would?

probably, although it'd be pretty awkward if the 'curveball' 808s thrived and then this return to rap mea culpa kinda thing didn't do as well

i think by ditching the mascot cover he made it clear this wasnt as much a return

For all the talk of 808's "difficulty" it had "legs" -- I heard "Amazing" and "Knock You Down" on the radio well into 2009.

"knock you down" wasn't on that album and i didn't hear "amazing" much, but yeah that album was a total commercial success, mainly due to "heartless"

al that's an excellent review of course

where's 'heartless' rank on most well known (ie yr parents might know it) kanye songs? 'gold digger's up top but 'heartless' is probably top 3 right? unless my dad feels the need to track down the source of espn's bumper music (that would be 'power') i'm pretty sure he will never know a song here.

yeah i think it'd probably be: gold digger, heartless, after that probably jesus walks, slow jamz, stronger

yeah "heartless" is prob his second biggest hit after "gold digger"

i could see "gorgeous" getting some rap radio play if it wasn't produced to sound all muffled -- i bet they'll put "lost in the world" out as a single but i don't see how it would do any better than, like, "paranoid"

that review lays it all out nicely

xpost yeah I've been thinking "Lost in the World" could do okay depending on how they edit it for radio — feels like one of those big dancey worldwide-electro-party songs I associate with europe and the blackeyedpeas

al's review is how i felt when he was the voice of clarity on jay's 'american gangster', except this time i don't exactly agree w/ him