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― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Sean from Drowned.. mentions 'a strange but apparent death of consensus' in the spiel that accompnies the DIS list and i think Reynolds' piece from last year about a lack of overall consensus between crits as the last decade progressed, and why that has happened, is even more relevant than a year ago: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/dec/07/musically-fragmented-decade
― piscesx, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
how in the world can anyone possibly argue that there's been a death of consensus in the last two years when ALL THESE LISTS ARE BASICALLY IDENTICAL
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link
well sure, if you view all these indie rock acts as essentially the same, the lists can be considered "basically identical". Whereas those people who, you know, like and listen to indie rock hear big differences between Deerhunter and Titus Andronicus and see lists with one or the other at the top as anything but basically identical.
― skip, Monday, 6 December 2010 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link
still, it's basically the same 50-75 albums that show up over and over...it would be nice to have a little more variety
― Dan S, Monday, 6 December 2010 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
God you guys would have hated the lists back in 1968 when there was only like 50 albums to choose from anyway.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes but you can safely assume from the words "Sean from Drownedinsound mentions..." that everything that follows is going to be overexcitable bollocks with no basis in reality.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
We’ll be listing them in groups of ten, so today it’s entries 100 to 81, on Tuesday it’s 80-61, Wednesday 60-41, Thursday 40-21, and finally 20-1 on Friday.
lol at this ^^ on the FACT tracks list; these are NOT groups of ten u idiots!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Our list doesn't have that much in common with the others. Cathedral, High On Fire, Pansonic, Mulatu Astatke, Demdike Stare, Shining, The Body, Arabrot, Jane Weaver, Napoleon III, Electric Wizard, UFOmammut, Ali Farka Toure and Toumani Diabate, I Like Trains, Barn Owl, Anika... I mean, I'm not going to start pretending I like really obscure records just to make it even more diverse than it already is.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
are you from fact? i was being kinda troll-y with that, obv, but i do believe that FACT's lists arent really that difft in terms of the values / aesthetics they favor than pfork is ... just less trad indie, less folk, more idm, more dubstep, more eurotechno
its sorta like, take a pfork list & center it around burial instead of animal collective (by switching each artist's placements)
i mean, this basically is "Fact music" so im not really criticizing this approach on its own terms, just arguing that its not nearly as refreshingly unexpected as ppl sometimes present it
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, yeah but I'm helpless in the face of trolls... it's my achille's heel. No, I'm from the Quietus. I like FACT's list but I'm more into industrial/ metal/ drone/ noise etc than dance music, hence the weighting on ours.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
That R1 Ryders track is banging by the way.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link
I liked that Quietus list a lot, Doran. Lots of character, and lots of recommendations I'm excited to check out. Also: It takes balls ranking Salem so high. That's an album with definite merit, but an album that can be really taxing to defend.
― Evan R, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Quite. I cringed involuntarily when I saw how high it came in. Cheers.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link
― Matt DC, Monday, December 6, 2010 12:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
surprised it took 5 posts before someone made this point
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
in many of these lists, salem are actually standing out in a good way - kinda feel sorry for anyone who thinks they're worse than the national. arcade fire, sleigh bells, gayngs etc etc
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
― skip, Monday, December 6, 2010 11:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
this post is hilarious
I'm not really into either of those bands but even from cursory listens it's pretty easy to see they sound absolutely nothing like each other.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I am completely comfortable in saying that if you like Salem more than Sleigh Bells, you are probably a racist.
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i realize deerhunter & titus andronicus are different bands, but if they show up 10-1 on one list and 1-10 on another, there's a REALLY good chance that those are gonna be similar ass lists
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
the thing about the SPIN gallery is not the 40 click thrus (tons of websites do this & it's probably gonna be the least of crimes as we move forward) but that their site is slow as shit -- the combination is intolerable
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ otm
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
The New York Times was so courageous in covering Salem, and making it safe for blogs to put them in their top 10s.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 6 December 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
what i've heard has not motivated me to spend £££ to listen to the record
Haha, I actually sent "House Girls 6" in full to some people Lex but left you off because you said you hated it...
In my top 3 tracks of the year dudes, if that means anything.
― Tim F, Monday, 6 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Are there any actual standout tracks on that Teenage Fanclub album? Is it worth checking out?
― billstevejim, Monday, 6 December 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
"Power," the most exhilarating, witty, and necessarily bombastic track of his career
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
not really billsteve...but still worth checking out/finding a stream.
― skip, Monday, 6 December 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
"house girls 6" cost me 69p and it was definitely worth it
― just sayin, Monday, 6 December 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah House Girls 6 is great, I don't get how anyone could rep for Hey Hey and the Ayobaness comp and not like it.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm liking this Solar Bears album as well - brightly coloured cartoon beach music. Also a bit like Boards of Canada picked the whole Robygiv vibe and built from there.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
the Quietus 2010 list contains one actual hip-hop album (Big Boi) and two others tangentially related to hip-hop (Janelle, Flying Lotus), yet places an album that offensively steal most of its ideas from hip-hop at #2 (Salem). who would truly prefer white guys making light of black music and culture to actual hip-hop? i like the rest of the list, but Salem at #2 is just embarrassing
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link
wow, a direct truthbomb from ilxor
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
who'da thunk it? ;)
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a shame that neil kulkarni's work didn't do enough to get joell ortiz on the list
― gimme schefter (J0rdan S.), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
32. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise
keep forgetting this album exists
it's rly good
― Cap.Obv (acoleuthic), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
who would truly prefer white guys making light of black music and culture to actual hip-hop?
history of rock music crit to thread.
― Tim F, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"who would truly prefer white guys making light of black music and culture to actual hip-hop?"
people who don't listen to hip-hop.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i liked the salem album a bunch, but i can't think of any list i would put it on. maybe my "records i like that other people find offensive or horrifying or dreadful" list. or my "poseur doofuses that i have loved" list.
― scott seward, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
wld rather read scott's poseur doofus poll than all the other polls on this thread
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
^^
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
So, what you're saying is, I should pretend to like hip hop stuff at random and lie about it so as not to appear racist to some lunatic on the internet?
This is pure tautology. Unless of course Mulatu Astatke, Ali Farka Toure, Toumani Diabate, Gil Scott Heron, Janelle Monae, Ty Bulmer and P.O.S. are all white guys.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Or let me put it this way: if you think black history and culture is interchangeable with hip hop, then it's you who is racist.
― Carl Jung Jeezy (Doran), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I am kind of disappointed that everyone ignored my blatant trolling, tbh
clearly I'm slipping
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
We should tell people who haven't been following ILM this year to just keep up with this thread. It's turning into a redux of every argument that people have had this year.
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think we ever successfully jammed together the "Janelle Monae tries too hard, what a joke" argument with the "I like this 'Pretty Girl Bag' song" argument; I'd be game for running those together.
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ Best mashup since the Girl Talk album amirite?
― Matt DC, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
you're overanalyzing a bit here
i didnt say you should pretend to like more hip-hop -- only that salem at #2 was kinda lame (considering it draws a good deal from, to generalize, southern hip-hop from the last decade or so). anyway, i'm glad your tastes and those of your staff are fully and accurately represented. like i said, i think it's a great list, salem aside
thank you, i realize that there are additional black musicians on your list -- that wasn't my point
never said black history and culture were interchangeable with hip-hop, that's funny though!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway... i'm closing the can o' worms now
i like the quietus list!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
quietus list once again has most of my favourites on it
― Cap.Obv (acoleuthic), Monday, 6 December 2010 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link
how about the rock-a-rolla list?
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Monday, 6 December 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link