Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

wut about his moms

also I wld say most non-kanye characters in kanye songs are more or less 'personality free robots'

(meant "kanye verses/lyrics" there as opposed to "kanye songs", i.e. not counting guest verses here obv... speaking of which, there's also uh nicki minaj's generally well-regarded verse if you wanna go there)

even if we find out that his achilles heel is LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURVE?

kanye has some lyrics about women besides his mother that aren't totally superficial and/or gross, like say "self conscious," but most of them are about that far back in his discography

and if this thread were aboutr all his records that would be swell. i cant even remember him saying anything about his mum on here?

yeah i was just bein' snarky

I'm finding that the more I play this, the less I like it.

It's quite good, but it's not as great as I first thought it was.

We need a final vote tally, yeas and nays.

so this is supposed to be music's citizen kane innit, except citizen kane was good

This is exactly as good as I thought it was (5-6 fantastic songs, 3 terrible ones, and the rest okay to good; however, almost every song goes on for too long).

this is musics the assassination of jesse james by the coward robert ford - ppl may say its important and innovative but rlly its just long and boring and shit and doesnt like ppl

ha i don't remember anyone other than me loving "the assassination of jesse james"

Who said The Assassination of Jesse James was anything other than a pretty, attenuated piece of shit?

although I'd totally understand if it developed a cult following

i was really into it but it was one of those situations where i think i was in the perfect mood/frame of mind to see it when i saw it

ice cr?am loves it i think

i would fucking love an mop soul record

world needs it more than peace and a qatar world cup put together

― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Thursday, December 2, 2010 12:57 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is the closest i could think of...Al Green remix of Sit Em Back Slow by AZ/MOP off the Memphis Sessions mixtape...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_xYJHv4xaM

I'm not saying anything not said elsewhere already; http://sickmouthy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/wake-up-mister-west/

Just astonished at the gap between the critical consensus on this and my own quite strong revulsion from it.

Believe me, mate, you've got company. Let's have wine.

I’ve not been as… I’m tempted to say disgusted, by an album in a long, long time. But I don’t think I’ve ever actually been disgusted by an album. I still haven’t. But I do think MBDTF is disgusting. From the 3 minute soliloquy about “pussy reupholstery” through the rest of Kanye’s misogynist, avaricious money and sex talk, to the just bad lyrics and poor delivery in-between the ravenous nastiness, it’s bad. I can’t listen to it in good conscience and good taste anymore than I can watch torture-porn films that depict all eastern Europeans as bloodthirsty tourist killers.

how many times did your monocle pop out as you gasped "well i never!" while you listened to the album?

the worst is when your monocle falls into your wine

have ever tried to get wine stains out of a monocle?

Hostel (feat. Eli Roth)

would listen to a concept album about kanye running a hotel

(o-or a hostel)

fuggin typos *sigh*

But I don’t think I’ve ever actually been disgusted by an album. I still haven’t. But I do think MBDTF is disgusting.

Is it just me or does this not really make any sense?

HOSTEL HOSTEL
TOURISTS JUST STOP DERE
EVERYBODY KNOW I RUN A MUTHERFUCKIN HOSTEL

if today's the day to link our blog rants against this album, here's mine: http://narrowcast.blogspot.com/2010/12/last-week-i-did-my-usual-monthly-report.html

ha that's the least ranty negative review that's been posted so far

Don't think my monocle dropped into my cup of Lady Grey, but I did exclaim to my wife "fucking hell, this is just unpleasant". I'm in my 30s, I'm very happily married, I can't find any conscionable reason to listen to horrifically misogynistic tripe, ESPECIALLY when the production and tunes are shite.

I think its perfectly acceptable to think something is horrible without being horrified by it; I'm not outraged in a Daily Mail sense, I just have no place in my life for nastiness like this and am baffled how anyone with a similar set of life circumstances to me could. The world's nasty enough without pop music being fucking horrible and hateful too.

so you're saying you don't get how any married adult listens to rap?

the kanye album did not strike me as being particularly nasty or morally horrific?

i like al's rant.

i don't think it's entirely productive to take the angle nick's taking, but i do like this last part:

Kanye’s beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy has no beauty, and if the desire to wear expensive clothes, drive supercars, treat women badly, and have nasty sport/porn-sex is dark, and twisted, rather than shallow and thoughtless, then I’m missing something that I don’t want to make an effort to understand.

it's like oh i'm so dark and perverse but it's all pretty much your standard materialist straight guy shit

al, as a married adult, how do you stand rap music

All married adults everywhere are the same, yes, exactly. Likewise all rap. Totally. Yes, thats what I said.

while my wife's at work my son and i listen to mixtapes. we've got yelawolf on right now.

i don't mind pop music about kinky sex or shit like that. "Bad Romance" is a great example of that kind of thing; nothing on MBDSMF is.

i like that the tone of some dude's "rant" is pretty even and balanced. i don't get critics that complain about the hyperbole of the overwhelming positive hype and 10.0 ratings and then turn around hyperbolize the opposite direction, all hair-pulling and teeth-gnashing

I don't think I was teeth-gnashing, certainly not compared to how I used to. I was going for baffled disappointment and distaste.

to be fair i got a lot of my more argumentative points and hair-pulling out of my system on this thread first

My own take from a couple of weeks ago.

I think my key feeling about this record is that if someone caught me listening to it I'd feel embarrassed.

al thats a really good review!

Yeah, Al, the U2 comparison was spot-on (although I think the U2 album sold less than its predecessors).

the U2 is where it loses me, because this feels like a more erm 'relevant' record -- more w/ the zeitgeist & less pulling by purely on classic rock bono-fides etc -- but other than that im pretty much w/ it

it being al's review

Well, we'll find out by February whether MDTF has staying power.