(note to self: one day get to page two of being and time maybe you big faker)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah...this is kind of what Miccio was saying (I hope he doesn't mind me putting words in his mouth). Not specifically about Sterling for me, but that phenomenon--that writing like this is somehow an achievement. It's like the difference between having a conversation with Chuck Eddy and a number of Eddy/Xgau/Whomever wannabes: You talk to Chuck and he might say something completely inexplicable, but when you say, "WHAT?" he will explain it in an enthusiastic, engaging manner and work the listener into what he's trying to express. You talk to certain other folx and the same thing occurs, but they don't go on to explain in an engaging, friendly fashion--they kind of smirk, like, "Figured you wouldn't know what I meant." Which is just kind of dumb: why bother attempting to put forth ideas at all if you only want to share them with other people who have the same experience and knowledge as you?
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:45 (twenty years ago) link
Writing is for making points, not scoring them.
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:47 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:48 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward, Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 16:59 (twenty years ago) link
if there's NOTHING for the reader to do, then brains will not get engaged (however an awful lot of academic discourse is actually extremely stylised, mannered and samey: its difficulty entirely superficial, like haxorspeak)
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 17:12 (twenty years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 20:01 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link
(it's sunny out and i'm sick.)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 20:07 (twenty years ago) link
Not acceptable.Think of the carpet cleaning bills.
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 20:08 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 20:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 20:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 20:17 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, but would you yell at him from a car? I would!
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 20:25 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 20:38 (twenty years ago) link
When you read stuff at college, you sometimes get bright text full of ideas and well written. More of the time though, you get some small ideas appallingly written. Very frequently, it's worse: cliche rewritten as gibberish.
So, it's natural to distrust stuff that seems "academic".
Most people, especially here, can take a bit of braininess.
Some people, especially here, can detect faux-braininess, yes?
Without any examples (and I didn't spot any as I skim-read), this thread gets nowhere. That's where it is. Where is the end?
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 21:33 (twenty years ago) link
People tend to yell Miccioooooo from cars at me, so ya know. And I'd think right now it would neither positively or negatively affect the world much if I got trampled to death at a Bizkit concert. Plus there's always my legacy to worry about...
The End Is The Beginning Is The The End
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 21:40 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― daria g, Wednesday, 21 May 2003 21:50 (twenty years ago) link
Sorry. I couldn't resist.
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 22 May 2003 00:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 22 May 2003 00:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 22 May 2003 01:01 (twenty years ago) link
Actually, in this context it means nothing. Its a pun that has to be said out loud to make any sense. (Although the reader would have to assume your last name is pronounced Mish-EE-OH.)
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 22 May 2003 01:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 22 May 2003 01:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 22 May 2003 01:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 22 May 2003 01:07 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 May 2003 01:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 22 May 2003 01:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 22 May 2003 01:28 (twenty years ago) link
Now why does this matter? Coz to me often "theorists" and rock musicians are often finding different ways of addressing the *same thing* and so often indirectly addressing one another. One way to kill the self-satisfied patrician role of academia is to actually try to bring it into *dialogue* with the things it addresses.
One of the more thought-provoking/useful things about Meltzer was that for him philosophy was the question and ROCK!!!! was the answer. Hendrix's famous logical connective "A public hair B" etc. But that's really just a varient of left-hegelianism. (which is another reason knowing theory is good, because it helps you spot old debates in new clothes).
Another problem is that sometimes cryptic references are meant as jokes and not as k-brill. insights. So plenty of times there's no *point* in explaining them if someone doesn't get them because the explanation kills the humor and without the humor there's nothing left. I know I do this IRL fairly often, but mainly w/r/t pop-ephermia from the 80s or early 90s as opposed to with highfalutin' theorists.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 22 May 2003 03:23 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 22 May 2003 03:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 22 May 2003 03:31 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 May 2003 03:33 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 May 2003 03:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 22 May 2003 03:44 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 May 2003 03:53 (twenty years ago) link
Pick up an instrument.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Thursday, 22 May 2003 04:05 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 May 2003 04:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 22 May 2003 04:09 (twenty years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 22 May 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 22 May 2003 04:13 (twenty years ago) link
(jess, thank you for omitting that comma)
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 May 2003 04:13 (twenty years ago) link
I seriously don't even know why people bother writing about rock in his wake. Kogan's stuff (like that Disco Tex essay) comes pretty close, tho.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 22 May 2003 04:21 (twenty years ago) link