*told = oft
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
but i think "homecoming", "can't tell me nothing" and "everything i am" are all pretty confessional
man all three of these crush anything on this record
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
songs on Late Registration that i feel set some kind of precedent for MBDTF by being dark or esoteric or ornate or 'weird' in some way or another: Crack Music, My Way Home, Roses, Bring Me Down, Addiction, We Major, Celebration
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
ffs, no one is saying "this album is COMPLETELY different", or at least I'm not
In fact, I am pretty explicitly bending over backwards pointing out all of the things that are the same along with all of the things that are different
perhaps maybe come out of your preconceived notion of what you imagine everyone is saying about this album and read what I'm ACTUALLY saying?
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Crack Music, My Way Home, Roses, Bring Me Down, Addiction, We Major, Celebration
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:52 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
half of these are the worst songs on the album
― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, that wasn't my recollection at the time, or rather it might be more accurate to say that Late Registration was the event rap album for pop fans since I'd kind of divorced myself from hip-hop fandom almost completely by that point
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:45 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wasnt it more the breakthrough for pop fans?
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
and much worse than anything on dark twisted fantasy
i can't tell who you're talking to now. me? deej? (xpost to DJP)
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
yah these are good forerunners for this new, very different record
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link
al hes talking to you
MBDTF isn't more confessional than kanye's been in the past, if anything slightly less, in that he's talking more in generalities, less about anything identifiably specific. but it nonetheless communicates a great deal about his/"the narrator's" psychology and lifestyle. i'd argue that it's more fractured and emotionally transparent than anything he's done in the past (808's comes close), but also less direct, less relatable.
and the music here, again, adds to that. it's often garish, bloated and overlayered in ways that should be off-putting but somehow (mostly) work, at least manage to entertain and to hold my attention. the music tells the story as much as the words, of this profoundly unhappy superman locked away in a hideous gilded dungeon of his own making.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
haha i think most of these are the best on the album! (not "addiction", "my way home" or "celebration" really, but i love the others.)
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
well, my list of LR songs was in response to deej asking where the "Gold Digger" or "Drive Slow" is on the new album (to the latter i might say "Devil" since it has a soul beat, brooding atmosphere, and southern guest rapper, but that feels like a stretch). i guess i should've quoted deej but i wasn't responding to anything DJP had said at all.
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
if the argument is that MBDTF is completely different to its predecessors because it LACKS the upbeat pop songs that previously leavened kanye's self-absorption, i guess i agree, but that's kind of...regression.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:50 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
I don't mind retreads but with MBDTF I feel like Kanye has even lost the knack for articulating what he's already told us. He's like a drunk friend telling a long-told joke in a rambling, incoherent manner.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:50 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
much as a i like the record, both lex and alfred at least partially OTM here (though lex characteristically overstates things by at least 200% - no one's pinning this album's importance on the lack of upbeat pop songs).
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i never said the album is "completely different" either -- i said that obv there were precedents for his sound, but as we keep articulating, that doesn't make this record a 'stylistic rehash' & i think it's been said pretty convincingly by myself, dan, contenderizer, etc
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean lex is otm that the songs here are often worse -- no one is arguing w/ him about that, though
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link
late registration was certainly an event record in pop/generalist circles. not predestined for "importance" like people seem to think MBDTF is, but critically received as a Very Big Deal. perhaps less so in rap circles? i wouldn't know...
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
'golddigger' was his 'hard knock life' giant crossover moment. he wasnt a pop star going into late reg the way he is going into this one, his life wasnt as public, and these albums are drastically different as a result
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
http://social.entertainment.msn.com/music/blogs/expert-witness-blog.aspx
― gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh please not again: the A's for the Roots and Tricky induce vertigo.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I was talking to Lex, who is the person who attempted to reintroduce "completely different" into the argument when everyone is explicitly saying that it ISN'T completely different, but that doesn't automagically make it the worst most unforgivable album ever created
like, I understand wanting to be a tastemaker and all but after a while it's best for your sanity to let go
― Yeezy reupholstered my pussy (DJP), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
haha when did Kanye ever say he's more talented than Nas and who in their right mind would agree with him?
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
me
― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
me too
― gospodin simmel, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
OK nutjobs, can you work on answering the first part of that question instead?
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i have no idea why or how nas was even brought up
― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
the how part is easier to explain
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, November 30, 2010 2:00 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
This is a really solid way to sum up both the appeal and revulsion that this album is causing. I'd say it's the perfect album for a culture that loves to entertain itself with slow motion car wrecks.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Is it just me or is the chorus of "Hell of a Life" taken from Sabbath's "Iron Man"?
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
check yr liner notes
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
that chorus is so terrible, i might actually like the song if not for that
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
can someone quickly and in under 30 words summarize precisely what it is that any of you are arguing about anymore?
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
noone's really been arguing for one or two dozen posts now, maybe we can keep it that way
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
hey why dont you go fuck yrself
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
why i oughta
― Prince SBanBan (some dude), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2008/10/700px-ndleprechaunsvg.png
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
this thread never quits
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
it's so appropriate that this thread is one in which no one will ever shut up
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
lex .... otm!
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link
haha
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
profoundly unhappy superman locked away in a hideous gilded dungeon of his own making
so this is the rap version of
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/Against-Nature-J-K-Huysmans-Pa20-med.jpg
― lil butterball (the baste god) (Edward III), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
hey guys whatd i miss
― .\ /. (dayo), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
http://newer.gifdump.com/uploads/Seinfeld%20-%20Kramer,%20Out%20of%20The%20Contest.gif
― .\ /. (dayo), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
finally heard the first half of this album on the drive to work. biggest first impression: there seem to be drug/alcohol references on pretty much every track? doing lines, trippin off powder, hangovers, etc., which is fitting, because saying it sounds "ambitious" is really just a polite way of saying 'ye sounds coked off his face and felt the need to stuff each track with as many details as possible, which sometimes works really really well ("power," which is monstrous on a good stereo) and other times kinda flops (the first couple tracks, esp. "gorgeous," strike me this way; maybe "all of the lights"). anyway, just a first impression. whoever said that each track has really impressive pieces scattered throughout is OTM -- kanye throws a loooot of different sounds at the wall, and naturally a good # of them stick. but not always.
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link
if the above is tl;dr then basically this album = My Beautiful Drunk Coked-Up Fantasy
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a Riot Goin' On?
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Monster, Devil In A New Dress and Lost In The World are the three i most like
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
time to poll this shit yet?
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
reckoner
― purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
"Power" would probably still get my vote, that sample will never get old.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link