Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

some of the songs are long but half the time it just seems like they just go on for about 2 minutes too long...

this is a lot more regular/normal than i thought it would be...like it has its quirks and odd little bits in the mix but i dunno

i feel like if this was edited a little tighter and he'd just called it "good ass job" no one would be saying prog

yes!! exactly! this is why i really have to smh at critics praising it for how incredible and shocking it sounds

I've listened to it a couple of times, and "Runaway" is now stuck in my head but other than that (and the King Crimson sample on "Power") I can't really remember anything about the individual songs. It's not an unenjoyable listen but yeah, the songs are too long to put them on for piecemeal pop thrills (I get that that's the intended effect).

Huh. I think there are earworms all over the place on this album (not all of them good; I would pay money to be able to never remember "Devil In A New Dress" ever again).

"I got a Trojan in my pocket...Matt Leinart"

ewwwww gross ewwwwww

that's what you get for not instinctively skipping over a cyhi da prynce verse -- you brought it on yourself

I guess the Chris Rock thing, or more accurately the female voice talking about Yeezy, is stuck in my head too, but yeah, I'm not thrilled about that.

some of the songs are long but half the time it just seems like they just go on for about 2 minutes too long...

lolz this is basically how I feel about the Love Below

i like the beat to devil in a new dress, but man did he have that sitting in the vaults since the blueprint or something? sounds really like old school kanye/jay beat

but i'm a sucker for pretty much any soul sample

"hood phenomenon
it's the Lebron-a-ram"

^what?

there are literally like 10 careers worth of smh and o_O punchlines on this album

the way you look should be a sin
you my sin-sation

"sin-sations" sounds like some fucking duncan hines brownie batter box mix or some shit

well he says "the lebron of rhyme"

If you've listened to this a few times and you don't have multiples of the following tracks stuck in your head, I think you're actively not paying attention to the album:

Dark Fantasy
Power
Monster
So Appalled
Runaway
Hell of a Life
Devil in a New Dress
Blame Game
Lost in the World

Again, not all of these songs are GOOD but I do think they are all extremely catchy.

well he says "the lebron of rhyme"

― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:04 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ah ok haha i thought it was some kinda lebron/ramadan deal

i wonder if big sean is holding a grudge against cyhi da prynce for making it on the album

i get the stupid way they stay "re-dick-uh-less" in my head

"Catchy" isn't the only virtue, Dan.

right, which is why he explicitly said exactly that

yes!! exactly! this is why i really have to smh at critics praising it for how incredible and shocking it sounds

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 21:56 (11 minutes ago) Permalink

admittedly ive been avoiding getting too into reading tons of kanye reviews but i dont see most critics writing this. 'ambitious' =/= 'shocking'

idk how others were using it but i imagine 'prog' being a stand-in for this kind of framing, the 'album-as-art' feel, the suites, the songs being two mins too long. not lots of instrumental solos or something. its prog rap not prog rock

i get the stupid way they stay "re-dick-uh-less" in my head

haha yeah, that "THIS SHIT IS.... FUCKING RIDICULOUS" marches through my head and slowly morphs into "FATBOY SLIM IS FUCKING IN HEAVEN", which is tripply annoying

"Catchy" isn't the only virtue, Dan.

One thing that IS a virtue is "reading comprehension".

i like the beat to devil in a new dress, but man did he have that sitting in the vaults since the blueprint or something? sounds really like old school kanye/jay beat

that's because it's a bink beat, right?

Ohhhhhh show me the waaaaaaaaay

you hurt your own credibility in criticizing a record, even if yr right, when u refuse to ascribe anything that could be seen as a positive quality to record that may in fact have some redeeming qualities. a much more damning critique = pursuing truth more than rejecting every strategy as a failure simply bcuz you decided the album has failed

i get the stupid way they stay "re-dick-uh-less" in my head

one of the dudes just says re-dickless. forget who.

Luckily no one here can be accused of this.

xpost

more accurately, you defined prog in a way that isn't what prog is rlly about. m@tt is saying something different, but i think its the *values* of the music rather than its sonic characteristics that are 'proggy' & yeah 'prog' is kind of a stand-in for that style

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:46 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what exactly was my erroneous definition of prog?

i dunno i think ive been repeatedly calling ppl on denying what seems obvious to me? i also think the lex's review is guilty of this

link me to your post in this enormous thread. i seem to recall you conflating it w/ being ground-breaking or equating it w/ prog's GOALS rather than prog's CHARACTERISTICS but that might be a faulty memory

but what if the album has no redeeming qualities for the critic?

We're back to where this thread beached itself last week: we must at least acknowledge the album's Importance.

this record's redeeming qualities = nicki minaj and "hell of a life", kinda

What's so capital-I important about, though? Honest question.

What's so capital-I important about, though? Honest question.

Chris Rock has a long skit.

a two-star review does not = "this record has no redeeming qualities"

i find it really boring, uninvolving and uncompelling, not actively unpleasant to listen to

We're back to where this thread beached itself last week: we must at least acknowledge the album's Importance.

― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

well you dont HAVE to do anything, but if you want an audience reading your opinions to think yr being honest & giving a fair assessment, i think just accusing everything of failing is self-sabotage

What's so capital-I important about, though? Honest question.

kanye said it is

So, in order to avoid "self-sabotage," you must like about your feelings?

*lie

i also admit more redeeming qualities in this album than most other critics have admitted flaws

An audience, in my experience, is very good at detecting bad faith and cynicism. As long as your review, within its space limits, explains clearly why the album succeeds or fails, the audience will accept your word even if it disagrees.

So, in order to avoid "self-sabotage," you must like about your feelings?

― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:29 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark

i think letting your feelings for the work as a whole / the critical response to the work overwhelm your ability to accurately describe the lp in question in a critical manner is more dishonest

i also admit more redeeming qualities in this album than most other critics have admitted flaws

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:29 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im not arguing with ryan dombal here, im arguing w/ the lex & some dude & alfred soto

this is a lot more regular/normal than i thought it would be...like it has its quirks and odd little bits in the mix but i dunno

yeah otm i think this is exactly why i like this more than i thought i would - oh you're going to tell me that kanye west is going to release an album in 2010 with pretty good production, an even mix of good and awful rapping, requisite eyeroll lines and stylistic overreaches? you don't say!

well, basically if you already hated "Power" and "Runaway" there is little to nothing on this album that will change your mind

I liked those songs, and overall I like this album although there are a few songs on it I can do without, which basically makes it like an MIA album for me (and she is one of my favorite album artists).

Also, I think "this album is Important because Kanye said it is" is exactly right, and it says a lot about the interaction between artist/fan/critic once you reach a certain level of fame. Basically, this is his less substantive version of OK Computer as far as the critics are concerned, only because Kanye is kind of a vapid fool his on-record vapidity is parsed as artistic choice rather than mental limitation (which, for the record, I'm pretty much okay with).

Any critic who can't explain how his feelings about a terrible record are commensurate with his conclusions about the record's flaws is a hack.

i get the stupid way they stay "re-dick-uh-less" in my head

― kl0pper city in the ghetto (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, November 29, 2010 2:07 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark

this always just reminds me of the "i'm so pimped it's ridiculous" line off big boi's "last call", and then i get that stuck in my head instead. there's nothing on this record half so catchy.

Like I've written elsewhere, this album boasts "Power," Cudi and Raekwon in "Gorgeous," "Monster," and a couple of ear-pricking arrangements. In my judgment it's a C+ record, which means I likely won't play anything again besides the aforementioned songs.

What I feel is that anyone who is stepping up to say, "Hey there are some serious flaws here," is having that argument conflated with "THIS ALBUM IS ENTIRELY IRREEDEMABLE AND HAS NOTHING WORTHWHILE ON IT," when I don't think ANYONE is claiming that. I mean I think Lex's review is the harshest I've seen, and even he still admits there's good moments on it.

i dont think lex is a hack. i do think that there are parts of his descriptions of the record that i think are inaccurate & unnecessarily critical, unneeded to make his point & in fact undercutting it because they seem flatly rong.

when im not at work ill show which parts i mean in partic.

"THIS ALBUM IS ENTIRELY IRREEDEMABLE AND HAS NOTHING WORTHWHILE ON IT,"

yes, he thinks this but thinks nicki minaj is pretty good