Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

freedom...free doom!

love it! like the old "lie bury" thing

i have achieved overstanding

i doubt kanye flies coach

yeah no one answered me when i asked if it was just my copy for which the "gorgeous" mixing was awful, guess it's not

― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Monday, November 29, 2010 10:15 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

"gorgeous" does sound weird and tinny if it isn't coming through nice speakers/phones (arguably even if it is), but YES, i downloaded three or four super shitty rips of this before going out and buying the damn thing. CD sounds much, much better than anything i stole. of course, i did all this on day one of its official release, so...

i don't know if this was worth the 3.99 i spent on amazon mp3

don't really get the "prog" comparisons at all...like there's some kinda rick wakeman ish in the middle of "power"

but overall...it's kinda self indulgent but don't really think there's anything explicitly prog abt it

when i brought that up upthread all i got in response was "even prog isn't really prog!"

more accurately, you defined prog in a way that isn't what prog is rlly about. m@tt is saying something different, but i think its the *values* of the music rather than its sonic characteristics that are 'proggy' & yeah 'prog' is kind of a stand-in for that style

some of the songs are long but half the time it just seems like they just go on for about 2 minutes too long...

this is a lot more regular/normal than i thought it would be...like it has its quirks and odd little bits in the mix but i dunno

i feel like if this was edited a little tighter and he'd just called it "good ass job" no one would be saying prog

i mean i WISH this sounded like the hip hop version of national health or gong

I wish this sounded like the hiphop version of Los campesinos romance is boring

i wish i wish i wish

some of the songs are long but half the time it just seems like they just go on for about 2 minutes too long...

this is a lot more regular/normal than i thought it would be...like it has its quirks and odd little bits in the mix but i dunno

i feel like if this was edited a little tighter and he'd just called it "good ass job" no one would be saying prog

yes!! exactly! this is why i really have to smh at critics praising it for how incredible and shocking it sounds

I've listened to it a couple of times, and "Runaway" is now stuck in my head but other than that (and the King Crimson sample on "Power") I can't really remember anything about the individual songs. It's not an unenjoyable listen but yeah, the songs are too long to put them on for piecemeal pop thrills (I get that that's the intended effect).

Huh. I think there are earworms all over the place on this album (not all of them good; I would pay money to be able to never remember "Devil In A New Dress" ever again).

"I got a Trojan in my pocket...Matt Leinart"

ewwwww gross ewwwwww

that's what you get for not instinctively skipping over a cyhi da prynce verse -- you brought it on yourself

I guess the Chris Rock thing, or more accurately the female voice talking about Yeezy, is stuck in my head too, but yeah, I'm not thrilled about that.

some of the songs are long but half the time it just seems like they just go on for about 2 minutes too long...

lolz this is basically how I feel about the Love Below

i like the beat to devil in a new dress, but man did he have that sitting in the vaults since the blueprint or something? sounds really like old school kanye/jay beat

but i'm a sucker for pretty much any soul sample

"hood phenomenon
it's the Lebron-a-ram"

^what?

there are literally like 10 careers worth of smh and o_O punchlines on this album

the way you look should be a sin
you my sin-sation

"sin-sations" sounds like some fucking duncan hines brownie batter box mix or some shit

well he says "the lebron of rhyme"

If you've listened to this a few times and you don't have multiples of the following tracks stuck in your head, I think you're actively not paying attention to the album:

Dark Fantasy
Power
Monster
So Appalled
Runaway
Hell of a Life
Devil in a New Dress
Blame Game
Lost in the World

Again, not all of these songs are GOOD but I do think they are all extremely catchy.

well he says "the lebron of rhyme"

― jagger reupholstered my pussy (J0rdan S.), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:04 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ah ok haha i thought it was some kinda lebron/ramadan deal

i wonder if big sean is holding a grudge against cyhi da prynce for making it on the album

i get the stupid way they stay "re-dick-uh-less" in my head

"Catchy" isn't the only virtue, Dan.

right, which is why he explicitly said exactly that

yes!! exactly! this is why i really have to smh at critics praising it for how incredible and shocking it sounds

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 29 November 2010 21:56 (11 minutes ago) Permalink

admittedly ive been avoiding getting too into reading tons of kanye reviews but i dont see most critics writing this. 'ambitious' =/= 'shocking'

idk how others were using it but i imagine 'prog' being a stand-in for this kind of framing, the 'album-as-art' feel, the suites, the songs being two mins too long. not lots of instrumental solos or something. its prog rap not prog rock

i get the stupid way they stay "re-dick-uh-less" in my head

haha yeah, that "THIS SHIT IS.... FUCKING RIDICULOUS" marches through my head and slowly morphs into "FATBOY SLIM IS FUCKING IN HEAVEN", which is tripply annoying

"Catchy" isn't the only virtue, Dan.

One thing that IS a virtue is "reading comprehension".

i like the beat to devil in a new dress, but man did he have that sitting in the vaults since the blueprint or something? sounds really like old school kanye/jay beat

that's because it's a bink beat, right?

Ohhhhhh show me the waaaaaaaaay

you hurt your own credibility in criticizing a record, even if yr right, when u refuse to ascribe anything that could be seen as a positive quality to record that may in fact have some redeeming qualities. a much more damning critique = pursuing truth more than rejecting every strategy as a failure simply bcuz you decided the album has failed

i get the stupid way they stay "re-dick-uh-less" in my head

one of the dudes just says re-dickless. forget who.

Luckily no one here can be accused of this.

xpost

more accurately, you defined prog in a way that isn't what prog is rlly about. m@tt is saying something different, but i think its the *values* of the music rather than its sonic characteristics that are 'proggy' & yeah 'prog' is kind of a stand-in for that style

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:46 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what exactly was my erroneous definition of prog?

i dunno i think ive been repeatedly calling ppl on denying what seems obvious to me? i also think the lex's review is guilty of this

link me to your post in this enormous thread. i seem to recall you conflating it w/ being ground-breaking or equating it w/ prog's GOALS rather than prog's CHARACTERISTICS but that might be a faulty memory

but what if the album has no redeeming qualities for the critic?

We're back to where this thread beached itself last week: we must at least acknowledge the album's Importance.

this record's redeeming qualities = nicki minaj and "hell of a life", kinda

What's so capital-I important about, though? Honest question.

What's so capital-I important about, though? Honest question.

Chris Rock has a long skit.

a two-star review does not = "this record has no redeeming qualities"

i find it really boring, uninvolving and uncompelling, not actively unpleasant to listen to

We're back to where this thread beached itself last week: we must at least acknowledge the album's Importance.

― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 29, 2010 4:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

well you dont HAVE to do anything, but if you want an audience reading your opinions to think yr being honest & giving a fair assessment, i think just accusing everything of failing is self-sabotage

What's so capital-I important about, though? Honest question.

kanye said it is

So, in order to avoid "self-sabotage," you must like about your feelings?

*lie

i also admit more redeeming qualities in this album than most other critics have admitted flaws

An audience, in my experience, is very good at detecting bad faith and cynicism. As long as your review, within its space limits, explains clearly why the album succeeds or fails, the audience will accept your word even if it disagrees.