Unperson, have you done a separate list for the Latin music you listen to?
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
No, but I might do that on my blog. Also, The Wire asked for a Top Five list of reissues, and these were the first two:
1. Fania All-Stars, Ponte Duro: The Fania All-Stars Story (Fania)2. Los Saicos, ¡Demolición! The Complete Recordings (Munster)
― that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
just want to be the annual grouch to point out that it's FUCKING NOVEMBER
― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
well played
― The Reverend, Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
And you're expecting to be blown away, to have your whole perspective on 2010 altered, by exactly...what?...in the next four weeks?
― that's not funny. (unperson), Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
well, it looks like these lists came out before kanye's album, for one thing.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
(maybe that disc didn't make these lists, but . . .)
I think it's very imaginable that in a month's time an album could come out that would have made it on someone's list otherwise.
Yeah, not to mention that if these lists are coming out now, when were they actually finalized?
― _Rudipherous_, Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i think it's good to have a month (december) where little comes out but you have a chance to catch up and/or reevaluate before making your list.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm hopeful that I might find some good stuff on some of the December/EOY lists that I haven't heard yet.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
the ciara and diddy/dirty money albums aren't out yet. neither is the nicolas jaar compilation. the jazmine sullivan, kanye west, rihanna and yelawolf albums have only just been released (not that i like the kanye/rihanna ones but they were certainly anticipated for good reason). nov/dec release dates for big artists are par for the course in the music industry.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
big partists, particularly hip-hop, r&b and pop ones - it's just a commercially obvious time to release it
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Sunday, 28 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
*artists
ugh typos
http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=10&title=albums_of_2010_75_73&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Sunday, 28 November 2010 06:04 (10 hours ago)
Dude [Visitor] //November 25 2010 at 11:42I see Sufjan Stevens got a complimentary nod because you all realised you'd be totally fucking lame if you ignored it completely. This angers me.
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link
loooooool at the mgmt on this thread.
2010 has been terrific although you wouldn't have guessed it by looking on here.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link
yup
― The Reverend, Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow, some kind of turning point for me -- I know and like 6 of the things on the Decibel list, which is more than on any of the other ones.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
And there's at least 3 or 4 more things on the Decibel list I really want to check out, which is also more true than for Q or Mojo.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
commenters under NME articles are so overwhelmingly miserable and solipsistic
― cthulhu thuggin (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I see [x] got a complimentary nod because you all realised you'd be totally fucking lame if you ignored it completely
going to catch on in 2k11 imo
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
five years since 'no sufjan, no credibility' and, well, how life changes
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
John Grant's my album of the year - unusually Mojo of me. I don't see it getting much ILX love though.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe it's a 'we ignored the czars mostly' thing so they overpraise his mediocre solo record.
― keythhtyek, Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Or maybe not.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think it's a mediocre album.
― henry s, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Not a magazine, but here's the Rough Trade Shops 100 of the year:
1. Caribou - Swim2. Gil Scott-Heron - I'm New Here3. These New Puritans - Hidden4. Caitlin Rose - Own Side Now5. Phosphorescent - Here's To Taking It Easy6. Darkstar - North7. Charlotte Gainsbourg - IRM8. Gold Panda - Lucky Shiner9. Wild Nothing - Gemini10. Tame Impala - Innerspeaker11. Broken Bells - Broken Bells12. Avi Buffalo - Avi Buffalo13. The National - High Violet14. Emeralds - Does It Look Like I’m Here?15. Beach House - Teen Dream16. Voice Of The Seven Thunders - Voice Of The Seven Thunders17. Perfume Genius - Learning18. Crocodiles - Sleep Forever19. The Black Keys - Brothers20. The Morning Benders - Big Echo- Foals - Total Life Forever21. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs22. Salem - King Night23. Brian Eno - Small Craft On A Milk Sea24. Dylan Leblanc - Paupers Field25. Joanna Newson - Have One On Me26. Matthew Dear - Black City27. Warpaint - The Fool28. Liars - Sisterworld29. LCD Soundsystem - This Is Happening30. John Grant - Queen Of Denmark31. Konono No 1 - Assume Crash Position32. Smoke Fairies - Through Low Light And Trees33. Surfer Blood - Astro Coast- Deerhunter - Halcyon Digest34. Villagers - Becoming A Jackal35. Crystal Castles - Crystal Castles36. Mount Kimbie - Crooks And Lovers37. Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma38. Best Coast - Crazy For You39. PVT - Church With No Magic40. Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can41. Vampire Weekend - Contra42. Edwyn Collins - Losing Sleep43. Yeasayer - Odd Blood44. Midlake - The Courage Of Others45. The Soft Pack - The Soft Pack46. Sleigh Bells - Treats47. O Children - O Children48. Glasser - Ring49. Zola Jesus - Stridulum 250. Holly Miranda - The Magician's Private Library51. Sea Of Bees - Songs For The Ravens52. JJ - No353. Pantha Du Prince - Black Noise54. Twin Shadow - Forget55. Gonjasufi - A Sufi And A Killer56. Bear In Heaven - Beast Rest Forth Mouth57. Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti - Before Today58. Cours Lapin - Cours Lapin59. Darwin Deez - Darwin Deez60. School Of Seven Bells - Disconnect From Desire61. Beach Fossils - Beach Fossils62. Shit Robot - From The Cradle To The Rave63. Jonsi - Go64. Dum Dum Girls - I Will Be65. Belle And Sebastian - Belle And Sebastian Write About Love66. Chilly Gonzales - Ivory Tower67. Connan Mokasin - Please Turn Me Into The Snat68. Holy Fuck - Latin69. The School - Loveless Unbeliever70. Tobacco - Maniac Meat71. Dios - We Are Dios72. Allo Darlin’ - Allo Darlin’73. Swans - My Father Will Guide Me Up A Rope To The Sky74. Male Bonding - Nothing Hurts75. El Guincho - Pop Negro76. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal77. Kort (Kurt Wagner And Cortney Tidwell) - Invariable Heartache78. Solar Bears - She Was Coloured In79. Free Energy - Stuck On Nothing80. Sufjan Stevens - The Age Of Adz81. Kings Go Forth - The Outsiders Are Back82. Grinderman - Grinderman 283. Dan Michaelson And The Coastguards - Shakes84. Stornoway - Beachcomber’s Windowsill85. Tamaryn - The Waves86. The Tallest Man On Earth - The Wild Hunt87. Four Tet - There Is Love In You88. Magic Kids - Memphis89. Marina And The Diamonds - Family Jewels90. Mystery Jets - Serotonin91. Black Angels - Phosphene Dream92. Danger Mouse And Sparklehorse - Dark Night Of The Soul93. Fool’s Gold - Fool’s Gold94. Frankie Rose And The Outs - Frankie Rose And The Outs95. Aloe Blacc - Good Things96. Drums Of Death - Generation Hexed97. Am - Future Sons And Daughters98. Field Music - Field Music (Measure)99. Hot Chip - One Life Stand100. Time And Spacemachine - Set Phazer To Stun
― henry s, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I have 11.
― henry s, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
(Not tellin' which ones.)
― henry s, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
33 The Roots – How I Got Over You
love Mojo's inadvertent "we love this album so much we can't remember the exact title" over here
― some dude, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link
― keythhtyek, Sunday, 28 November 2010 17:48 (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I've not heard the album in question (dude is only on my radar at all cos two of my friends made a lol video for him, so I'm mildly o_0 about him being near the tops of these lists) but this makes no sense - why would mags have any obligation to care about him?
― cthulhu thuggin (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
They have an obligation to write about him because youtube commenters say he writes beautiful melodies
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I really like the new MGMT, better than the first in fact.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link
dunno if it's in the 'spirit' of this thread but here is a bunch of dorks from bands etc listing their 'best sounds of 2010': http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/nov/28/best-sounds-2010?CMP=twt_gu
dude from Magnetic Man just edging out Antony in the thinly-disguised nepotism contest
― cthulhu thuggin (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Serge Pizzorno, KasabianKaty B
I heard a tune on the radio that I liked so much that I went and bought it, which proves it must be the best thing I've heard this year, because no one buys anything these days! It was "On a Mission" by Katy B. I love the bass on it; it reminds me of the old rave days. And I don't know the first thing about who she is or who made the record, and I like that about it as well.
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
not following your emphasis tbh - wouldn't exactly expect Kasabian bro to study the pop landscape day-by-day
― cthulhu thuggin (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
as in she couldn't possibly have made it herself
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
tbf to kasabro, i guess his syntax allows that....but suggests otherwise
― rouxymuzak (nakhchivan), Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I had no idea who Serge Pizzorno was before I read that.
― Krampus Interruptus (NickB), Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Is that Plan B album (#3 on the Q list) generally considered a big deal in the U.K.? It comes out in the States in January, and the advance I heard was okay, but not what I'd call exciting. Didn't get through half of it, though. Maybe I'll listen to it more, maybe not.
Didn't realize people cared about the Robert Plant album (which I haven't heard, and don't expect I'd like much given his output over the past couple decades, but who knows), either. And Ludicra at #7 on the Decibel list is a surprise for me, too -- I liked an Alternative Tentcales EP they did several years ago called Fex Urbis Lex Orbis, but had no idea metal critics had since fallen for them in such a big way. (Assuming it's the same Ludicra, I guess.)
I agree Thanksgiving weekend is way too early to publish best-of-the-year lists, but I've said that for years. (Do publications that do that count December '09 releases as 2010, by the way? Or are all December, and presumably most November releases given deadlines, always just shit out of luck?) Doubt my own list will change much if any between now and year's end, but odder things have happened.
― xhuxk, Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
the national?? really?? what a dire thing that record is.
― nonightsweats, Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
National is a fucking bore, and the fact that p4k celebratest this .... well I don't even know.
i wuzzzz afraaaid i'd eat ur brainnnnnnnsi wuzzzzz afraiiid i'd eat ur brainnnnnnnscaus im evillllllllllcause im evillllllll
UUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
― Good news, everyone! (kelpolaris), Sunday, 28 November 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
I really like the Plan B album, xhukx. It helps that I didn't get a copy when it came out so the singles just sneaked up on me one by one over the course of a few months. On first exposure it may seem like Mark Ronson-style retro-soul but it's packed with earworms and I like the tension between the violence and gloom of the lyrics and the sweetness of the voice and production. No more retro than the Cee Lo album at any rate so it would be nice to see Plan B make some impact in the US.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Sunday, 28 November 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Enjoyed that bloke from MGMT declared DI Go Pop as his album of the year (in Mojo).
― djh, Sunday, 28 November 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Listening to John Grant and not liking it. Sounds like sub-Silver Jews jokery and confessions backed by... Midlake
― i should loko (rip van wanko), Sunday, 28 November 2010 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
that ludicra album is really good, fwiw. (and not an accident that two of the top 10 decibel albums have the same drummer, imo.)
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Monday, 29 November 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
the rough trade shops list is pretty good -- i can get behind a 1-2 punch of caribou + gil scott heron, that's unfuckwithable
looool @ mojo and q lists
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Monday, 29 November 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link
at closer examination, Q is really the worst offender here -- yaaaaaawn!
the Mojo list at least has a few more adventurous choices i can get behind (matthew dear, swans, gonjasufi, m.i.a. in 2010, neil young, gil scott heron, grinderman, caribou -- all great albums)
rough trade is a goldmine, i own close to 30 of those ^____^
decibel i'm satisfied having heard 7 of the 40, i'm not a HUGE metal fan but do need a little in my listening diet
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Monday, 29 November 2010 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link
all lists need more hip-hop/r&b/dance btw
― some dude, Sunday, 28 November 2010 18:25 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Its printed correctly in the magazine, was this not a typo on the part of whoever uploaded the list to the interwebs, ie not MOJO?
― it ain't about the sauce it's about the danger (stevie), Monday, 29 November 2010 08:16 (thirteen years ago) link
disappointed that taylor swift didnt make the decibel list
― markers, Monday, 29 November 2010 08:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, it apparently had more impact on him, which it what matters, since it's his list. (Not defending the 2006 choice, which I know nothing about. But also, I don't get how "late impact" can't happen just as much with albums as with singles -- especially, say, November or December releases that wind up breaking a couple hits the following year, or barely distributed albums on tiny labels that everybody ignored the year before. Not all critics feel the compulsion to hear albums the day they come out, thank God.)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 13 January 2011 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
reposting this from Marathonpacks, v interesting:
The sales numbers for Pitchfork’s 2010 top 50 albums, as represented by the January 12 Soundscans (some weren’t present, of course). Erykah Badu and Hot Chip I ballparked based on the last charts they appeared on a couple months ago. Otherwise: listicle without commentary!50 Wavves – King of the Beach (18,563)49 Wild Nothing – Gemini (8,773)44 Kylesa – Spiral Shadow (7,778)43 Tame Impala – Innerspeaker (15,101)42 Drake – Thank Me Later (1,219,473)39 Best Coast – Crazy For You (48,296)38 Rick Ross – Teflon Don (541,299)35 Gorillaz – Plastic Beach (385,454)34 Crystal Castles – Crystal Castles (39,368)33 The Tallest Man on Earth – The Wild Hunt (35,524)29 The Fresh & Onlys – Play It Strange (3,633)28 The National – High Violet (211,615)27 Four Tet – There Is Love in You (22,228)26 Twin Shadow – Forget (10,985)25 Sufjan Stevens – The Age of Adz (100,405)24 Hot Chip – One Life Stand (~30k)22 Girls – Broken Dreams Club EP (10,266)21 The Walkmen – Lisbon (39,159)18 Erykah Badu – New Amerykah Part Two: Return of the Ankh (~300k)17 Caribou – Swim (33,803)16 Sleigh Bells – Treats (94,478)15 Robyn – Body Talk (23,869)14 Flying Lotus – Cosmogramma (33,574)13 No Age – Everything In Between (13,802)12 Janelle Monae – The ArchAndroid (129,152)11 Arcade Fire – The Suburbs (459,083)10 Titus Andronicus – The Monitor (26,090)09 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Before Today (25,942)08 James Blake – The Bells Sketch EP / CMYK EP / Klavierwerke EP (511/4,091/na)07 Joanna Newsom – Have One on Me (48,754)06 Vampire Weekend – Contra (454,914)05 Beach House – Teen Dream (104,217)04 Big Boi – Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (208,747)03 Deerhunter – Halcyon Digest (59,879)02 LCD Soundsystem – This Is Happening (126,288)01 Kanye West – My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (915,391)
50 Wavves – King of the Beach (18,563)49 Wild Nothing – Gemini (8,773)44 Kylesa – Spiral Shadow (7,778)43 Tame Impala – Innerspeaker (15,101)42 Drake – Thank Me Later (1,219,473)39 Best Coast – Crazy For You (48,296)38 Rick Ross – Teflon Don (541,299)35 Gorillaz – Plastic Beach (385,454)34 Crystal Castles – Crystal Castles (39,368)33 The Tallest Man on Earth – The Wild Hunt (35,524)29 The Fresh & Onlys – Play It Strange (3,633)28 The National – High Violet (211,615)27 Four Tet – There Is Love in You (22,228)26 Twin Shadow – Forget (10,985)25 Sufjan Stevens – The Age of Adz (100,405)24 Hot Chip – One Life Stand (~30k)22 Girls – Broken Dreams Club EP (10,266)21 The Walkmen – Lisbon (39,159)18 Erykah Badu – New Amerykah Part Two: Return of the Ankh (~300k)17 Caribou – Swim (33,803)16 Sleigh Bells – Treats (94,478)15 Robyn – Body Talk (23,869)14 Flying Lotus – Cosmogramma (33,574)13 No Age – Everything In Between (13,802)12 Janelle Monae – The ArchAndroid (129,152)11 Arcade Fire – The Suburbs (459,083)10 Titus Andronicus – The Monitor (26,090)09 Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti – Before Today (25,942)08 James Blake – The Bells Sketch EP / CMYK EP / Klavierwerke EP (511/4,091/na)07 Joanna Newsom – Have One on Me (48,754)06 Vampire Weekend – Contra (454,914)05 Beach House – Teen Dream (104,217)04 Big Boi – Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (208,747)03 Deerhunter – Halcyon Digest (59,879)02 LCD Soundsystem – This Is Happening (126,288)01 Kanye West – My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (915,391)
some of these are genuinely sad to me! like, these are both FANTASTIC-- & i thought both had more big fans??
44 Kylesa – Spiral Shadow (7,778)27 Four Tet – There Is Love in You (22,228)
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Thursday, 13 January 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link
You're seriously Kylesa and Four Tet have only sold that much?
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 January 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link
im surprised four tet sold that much
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Thursday, 13 January 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah.
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 January 2011 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Interesting to see the different brackets:
Drake/Kanye/Rick Ross >>> Arcade Fire/Vampire Weekend/Gorillaz >>> Erykah/Big Boi/National >>> LCD/Janelle/Beach House/Sleigh Bells/Sufjan >>> everyone else
I guess the Joanna Newsom album really stiffed in relation to her profile. Nothing else surprises me as much.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Are those stats US only?
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, depending on chart rules, the Joanna Newsom might have only sold a third that many copies, surely? Doubles counting as two sales etc in the UK.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Those are US.
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
07 Joanna Newsom – Have One on Me (48,754)
this is surprising no matter how sales are counted, i would've expected her up there at 100,000+ with sufjan, beach house, etc.
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I wouldn't have!
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I still have no idea who the hell Beach House are.
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Nor did I til a month ago and now it's one of my favourite records of the year. 104,217 Americans can't be wrong.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
― flutes & fucking mexican death horns (The Reverend), Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:37 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark
lol rev we covered this earlier in this thread i think!
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I just prefer thinking about Beach House as a bad Goa trance album name from 1998 on Moonshine.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I would still prefer that to the actual Beach House
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
lol you listen to beach house
― ilxor this could be a standout thread for you imo (ilxor), Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
they are good. it's crazy they sold 100 000+ copies! they seem like really great people, too. didn't listen to the new album much but devotion is an all time classic
― flopson, Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
15k in the US for Tame Impala is pretty impressive since, afaik, it still hasn't been given a domestic release (Amazon still has only the import for like $30)
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't know if this has been posted yet:
Geoffrey Himes' Top 100 Albums of 2010
http://option-magazine.com/2011/01/01/himes-hundred-best-albums-of-2010/
― jetfan, Friday, 14 January 2011 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
awesome!
― some dude, Friday, 14 January 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link