Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

I don't get how you can dismiss this album as clichéd and boring but think that the best songs on it are "Dark Fantasy", "Gorgeous" and "Devil In A New Dress", which to my ears are the laziest, most boring and clichéd tracks on the album.

― Joe Wasp (DJP), Saturday, November 27, 2010 11:24 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i think i was the one who said this (throw "Monster" in with those too), but i dont think the album is cliched or boring as a general rule, or i think its inaccurate to characterize it that way before all the other words i used to describe it (original, interesting, etc) although i do think it is also boring fairly frequently.

this is why i keep agreeing w/ parts of what somedude & lex are saying but disagree with others -- i think a lot of their criticisms are right, but in the big picture that stuff is also competing w/ a lot of interesting parts

& i resist this kind of consensus to THIS ALBUM SUCKS!!! because i dont think it does or that its 'obviously' not an 'important record'

that's my position exactly - i really take issue w/deej's assertion that this album is Big and Important regardless of whether you like the music that much, because that's the cruz of why both the praise and the album itself seem so hollow to me - as i said when i first heard it there was nothing that leaped out at me.

see, but thats like trying to measure gasoline with a ruler

& i resist this kind of consensus to THIS ALBUM SUCKS!!! because i dont think it does or that its 'obviously' not an 'important record'

― challop and a muff (deej), Saturday, November 27, 2010 12:41 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

there's not even remotely a consensus that this album sucks on this thread

my guess is the lovers and the haters are about half and half, or the haters are a vocal minority

i think the best songs on this are "monster" and "hell of a life"

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Saturday, November 27, 2010 12:31 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah agreed

"monster" would be much better if there was more rick ross

"less jay-z" and "less bon iver" should take priority over that

and also no, less rick ross too

BITCH I'M A MONSTER NO GOOD BLOODSUCKER

gotta say rick ross might make the least convincing vampire out of any currently active rapper

why do people think lines like that and "eat your brains" are so great and mindblowing and Jay-Z listing monsters is so eye-rollingly horrible? they're all just staying on theme and not being especially creative about it.

personally it's because jay-z recites them like he's swotting up for an exam, no life in that list at all. ross sounds asthmatic AS EVER. nicki actually injects some menace into her line.

At first, I thought Jay-Z sounded like he'd just sprinted into the studio to recite his verse. Now I get that he was going for rushed, breathless energy, but it still kinda sounds like he'd just sprinted into the studio to recite his verse.

why do people think lines like that and "eat your brains" are so great and mindblowing and Jay-Z listing monsters is so eye-rollingly horrible? they're all just staying on theme and not being especially creative about it.

― some dude, Saturday, November 27, 2010 12:02 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah its just that it fits her persona better, jay seems like he's acting

i think what DJP is describing is the sound of jay-z trying to sound 'vital' & instead he sounds winded

This album is presently on sale on amazon mp3 for $3.99, so I picked it up---now I just gotta work up the nerve to give it a listen. If it's as exhausting as you all are saying, I'm not sure I want to build my Saturday afternoon around it.

The new Big Boi album is on sale for $1.99 there, picked that up also & I'm thinking it'll work better today.

If it's as exhausting as you all are saying, I'm not sure I want to build my Saturday afternoon around it.

see i guess the thing that remains the sticking point for me is that i hear nothing here that merits building an afternoon/evening around it, nor demanding any "close listening" like at all.

yeah its just that it fits her persona better, jay seems like he's acting

― challop and a muff (deej), Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:19 PM (1 hour ago)

yeah this is right - not that he's the only old dude to bite new trends but jay chameleonically mimicking some of the worser rappers out there is particularly distressing and embarassing

just put the album on -- you're not going into surgery or something

agreed, it's really not that exhausting anyway

ok fuck it, digging in

i was gonna put on this EXHAUSTING ALBUM but i don't really feel like RUNNING 10 MILES in my bedroom right now

lol

so far (halfway through) this is pretty good! don't get the exhausting thing at all, but then I don't have to review this. dumb lyrics for sure.

make sure you stay hydrated, euler

pretty sure there's a lyric about Dasani here somewhere

yeah its just that it fits her persona better, jay seems like he's acting

― challop and a muff (deej), Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:19 PM (1 hour ago)

yeah this is right - not that he's the only old dude to bite new trends but jay chameleonically mimicking some of the worser rappers out there is particularly distressing and embarassing

― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Saturday, November 27, 2010 2:28 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i for one am very excited about Jay Chameleonically signing to Roc Nation

Jay Chameleonica

can we talk about the album instead of ourselves

new board description ^^

wish this album would arrive sooner from amazon so i could join in the discussion, i feel so left out ;_;

wish jay would run an 800 meter dash tbh, might get his breath control back

In regards to the fuss over the perfect 10 this got, didn't Discovery by Daft Punk receive like 6.7 back in the day? Metascore of 70 or so? These numbers don't really count for much a huge chunk of the time. I feel like some people need this to be an event album...it sorta completes a narritive and bitches crave resolution.

otm

this album is very sonically interesting at times but also EXTREMELY horrible at others. overall it was a difficult record that i will never listen to again.

A Supposedly 10.0 Record I'll Never Hear Again

I'm just a rap tourist looking for a rap sherpa

6.7 is about right for Discovery, I'd say.

sb

'discovery' is pretty EXHAUSTING!

resisting daft punk culture

hahaha j0rd

i would give discovery two stars as well

'discovery' is pretty EXHAUSTING!

i really think this! i'm all partied out after the fourth track tbh.

is it just my (illegally downloaded) mp3 or is the vocal mixing on "gorgeous" horrible

shame cuz kanye actually goes in on that one

vocoder wanking at the end of "Runaway" >> vocoder wanking at the end of "Digital Love"

I'll take "agonized" emo screaming through a vocoder over vocoders trying to sound like guitars any day.

gtfo

that's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

also, I would rather an album make me feel exhausted as in 'partied out' than 'ffs, when will this track end?!'. Discovery's mediocre rating doesn't reflect it's cultural significance. I mean if you ask most people, I doubt many of them would rate it two stars.

guys criticizing Kanye is just wrong, especially after the witchhunt he went thru during Swiftgate