Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

great point, i recommend that everyone stfu until then

get rid of the "until then" and ill cosign

yeah my mistake

countdown to al's self-backpatting apology for being a catalyst for an argument with deej

hey, guys. what have i missed?

countdown to al's self-backpatting apology for being a catalyst for an argument with deej

― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, November 26, 2010 4:08 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

i can't even begin to figure out what this means or what i'm supposed to say. "i'm sorry, but i'm a better person for being able to say i'm sorry, and i'm glad i...was a catalyst for j0hn to argue with you"? talk normal, dude.

no its just a fun rhetorical trick u do where you make it seem like oops i accidently tripped the deej-wire instead of recognizing that u were straight up trolling me & have as much of a hand in this argument as i do

lots of 'board regulars' post on many threads and end up getting into different conversations and arguments with other 'board regulars.' occasionally there is a kind of running unpleasantness between 2 people, but honestly when someone says "you're following me from thread to thread and stalking me just to argue with me," it usually feels like they're actually saying "the only reason you can possibly be disagreeing with me on this thread is that you have a PERSONAL GRUDGE with me, there's no way you could actually honestly object to my post."

yes, thats what im saying he is doing
i dont know if its a 'personal grudge' or if its just that he thinks hes helping me out or what his motive is, but it does genuinely feel like hes going out of his way to take issue with basically everything i say

there arent other posters who do this on every thread that way. ill agree with alfred on one & disagree on another, or you, or jordan, or whoever else

i do think there is some truth to the whole "RAISE YR STANDARDS" argument -- i think the tons of praise & acclaim (and sales) that wayne got for a half assed album like carter III, where critics pretty much said that you can make an album compelling by being a massive drug addict that makes it impossible to put out a coherent string of 14 songs led to some lazy rap music in its wake

also every time i hear "too many urkles on your team / that's why your wins low" i can't help but rmde because all i can think of is

http://www.highsnobiety.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kanye-west-entourage-fashion-week-paris.jpg

i never realized how much the dude to kanye's immediate right looks like the baby photo of wayne on the cover of C3

hahaha

So I just bought the mp3 album from Amazon (it was only $3.99!) Every song title has [Explicit] after it and the artwork is this pixelated bullshit:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41xOqhiBlpL._SS160_.jpg

i made some comment on twitter a while back about how hypocritical "too many urkels on your team" is coming from the guy who signed fonsworth bentley

whitey wants his armless phoenix porn and he wants it now

Damn straight. Easy enough fix, i know, but really?

we don't need another discussion about the pixelated cover art do we

anyway, i bought the album finally & the packaging is really cool

reading the liners was funny -- apparently teyena taylor as "additional vocals" on "dark fantasy" & "hell of a life" (along w/ the-dream) & alicia keys has "additional vocals" on "lost in the world"

i literally had to google teyana taylor to remember whether she was the person who did "google me" -- prophetic song

yeah when i read that she was doing some parts in kanye's performance in new york the other night i was like "huh" & now i have no idea why she's on this album

i really hope that she didn't just lay down vocals in la or nyc or something and def jam footed the bill for her trip to hawaii to lay down imperceptible backing vocals on two songs

Personally I'm loving this album still. In terms of both listenability and as a remarkable album of the generation.
I think there's a backlash here for backlash's sake.

Who is the "Yeezy taught me" voice in the Chris Rock skit?

Personally I'm loving this album still. In terms of both listenability and as a remarkable album of the generation.
I think there's a backlash here for backlash's sake.

― Josh L, Friday, November 26, 2010 5:45 PM (21 minutes ago)

not only is this the album of a generation, but it is listenable to boot!

I hate statements like "the backlash is for backlash's sake." No, it's because people genuinely don't think it's a masterpiece.

some trolling going on here

this review OTM: http://cureforbedbugs.tumblr.com/post/1693867778/kanye-inching-toward-the-top-ten

I kind of hated MBDTF the first couple of times I heard it -- production seemed ugly and abrasive and overblown -- but after listening to all five albums back-to-back the other day, it didn't feel as out of place within his catalogue. I'm not sure if that's a point in this album's favor or a point against the others, but I did feel like I appreciated it more.

how do you mean "not as out of place in his catalogue"? To my ears the only outlier is 808's.

i never realized how much the dude to kanye's immediate right looks like the baby photo of wayne on the cover of C3

― J0rdan S., Friday, November 26, 2010 3:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

looooool

thats amazing bcuz its the look on his face, not the look of his face

if that makes sense

how do you mean "not as out of place in his catalogue"? To my ears the only outlier is 808's.

― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, November 26, 2010 4:19 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

I agree, but even so I don't think it's "out of place," if that makes sense.

how do you mean "not as out of place in his catalogue"? To my ears the only outlier is 808's.

I think when I initially heard MBDTF, it didn't seem as melodic or as pristinely produced as the rest of his oeuvre. I couldn't detect anything as inherently appealing as the chipmunk-soul samples of The College Drop-Out, the fussily baroque sound of Late Registration, and the bright shiny synths of Graduation. Even 808s seemed, by comparison, more tightly constructed and more immediately engaging.

i dunno i think this album has a lot of that stuff in it, its just buried in all this extended instrumental framing

Not always, though -- you can find it in the extra hooks from Justin Vernon on "Monster," CyHi's terrible verse on "So Appalled," and so on.

The last 3 minutes of the album version of Runaway are completely unnecesary.

Yes, I agree, Moka. But others like it... so who knows, maybe we're wrong?

Wrong for wrong's sake

i dont think their 'unnecessary' in that this whole album is all about that kind of stuff

its not the kind of thing im into but it makes it the 'art record' that it is so

Art is about attenuated songs centered around threesomes, douchebags, and second-rate Jay-Z cameos.

well the 'attenuated' part mostly

i mean dont get me wrong ive listened to it 2x & probably wont again for a long time so

its not the kind of thing im into but it makes it the 'art record' that it is so

― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, November 26, 2010 5:03 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

See, I don't get that... you're telling me that what makes it an "art record" is that is has their superfluous additions to it? That's art because of what, the ambition?

That's just a term that pisses me off. "Art record." Know what makes an album art? Being good.

^^yeah

Maybe I'm missing something. I don't think it adds anything new to the song and I certainly don't find it artsy or intelligent. It's the same sparse piano figure that we've been hearing for the past 6 minutes, some uninspired strings and kanye fooling around with autotune. Nothing more nothing less.

Anyway I'm glad he sort of thought the possibility of an edit. You can cut off the song on your own after the last piano key bounces and the percussion loop dies at 5:52 and it sounds great this way I think. No need to endure the indulgence.

The thing is, Moka, I don't think that's the way it worked with "Runaway." I think it was the opposite, Kanye finished the song at 5:52 then went, "Oh shit, it needs something ELSE. I KNOW JUST WHAT IT NEEDS." And this process involved no self-editing at all, but rather self-indulgence. (Because the shorter, and better, single version came first.)

it's kind of the opposite of the-dream's "fancy" - that started out as a three-minute ballad, and terius kept adding more and more to it (the rap, the beat) - and everything he added brought something new to the song, made the song both more complex and more enjoyable.

with "runaway" you feel it started out as a normal-length pop song and then got extended to nine minutes because having nine-minute songs is just a Thing That Artists Do in kanye's mind, but there's no creativity or interest in what he adds at all.