Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

how do we expect these guys to actually make genius albums if we give average albums like this 10/10?

this strikes me as an odd reading of the critic/artist relationship

― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Friday, November 26, 2010 9:09 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah it's not as if Kanye sat down in his studio and went "yeah, make an average album, Pitchfork will offer it 10.0 and my place in the pantheon will be assured forever".

― Matt DC, Friday, November 26, 2010 10:03 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you've got it backwards -- the guy who writes "I'm so appalled, spalding ball" and gets unanimously praised as the biggest genius in hip hop is never going to bother to step his rap game up

i mean i hate to be all Alex in NYC "RAISE YOUR STANDARDS" about this, but the reviews are basically saying that this album is as good as it gets, and that's just kind of sad. if Kanye is trying to be the greatest of all time, there's nothing wrong with saying uh, hey, this isn't really meeting your lofty goals, better luck next time.

duff11damien

26 November 2010 10:57AM

Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest

duff11damien

26 November 2010 10:57AM

Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest

duff11damien

26 November 2010 10:57AM

Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest

duff11damien

26 November 2010 10:57AM

Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest

duff11damien

26 November 2010 10:57AM

Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest

duff11damien

26 November 2010 10:57AM

Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest

duff11damien

26 November 2010 10:57AM

Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest

duff11damien

26 November 2010 10:57AM

Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest

duff11damien

26 November 2010 10:57AM

Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest

duff11damien

26 November 2010 10:57AM

Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest

"I'm so appalled, spalding ball"

lol wait seriously?

at least once or twice a month i'll go to check my e-mail and there's a message from deej on gchat or AIM about him venting about some ilx beef, often on a thread i haven't even posted on or looked at, and i'm like "uh dude why do you need talk about this outside the board and why do you assume i'd have your back"

― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Thursday, November 25, 2010 8:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

when the hell did i last do that? i like how u imply that ive *just done this*

& yeah i dont know how u cant have noticed j0hn posting in every other thread these days disagreeing w/ me about everything but hes even made jokes about it in threads where he didnt know enough about whatever issue to actually disagree

shellac, gza, politics, currensy, kanye, im missing some obvious ones where dude just seems to follow me around to tell me im wrong

at least when al is a dishonest asshole it doesnt have the feel of a stalker-y vendetta

lol you're clinically insane

http://i55.tinypic.com/12677zp.png

it sucks because just yesterday my fifth deej-monitoring notebook filled up & I can't properly keep track til I get a new one but going to the store today is completely out of the question

lol

deej i'm not asking you to stop being a hardman AND a crybaby, but just pick one or another, it makes no sense to be both

I wish my review would be added to Metacritic, but I guess a newspaper that has a circulation of over 800,000 a day isn't good enough for them :p

Btw... I can't get over Rawse's verse. And people are actually complaining about how "bad it is". WTF?

deej i'm not asking you to stop being a hardman AND a crybaby, but just pick one or another, it makes no sense to be both

― some dude, Friday, November 26, 2010 1:54 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark

the fuck?? this isnt some persona game u dork. i dont get the big deal about me IMing you either -- its not like im going out of my way, i just ctrl-tab to gchat and look theres a member of the same discussion community online.

aerosmith has been basically arguing w/ me in a continuing series of threads no matter what the subject. he doesnt do this with other posters. he shows up, argues with me in a condescending way, whether he's wrong (usually) or its a genuine philosophical disagreement (maaaaybe the politics thread). obvi i dont think hes actually "stalking" me but its a way of suggesting that u know maybe his obsession w/ disagreeing w/ me might just be a little weird

i dont even get where hes accusing me of backpedaling on this thread ... all i did was bring up nitsuh's article a second time which you got all hardman about, i said u sounded butthurt. see what i mean? its just like, carrying old beefs from other threads into this one bcuz i happen to be confrontational w/ you in this one.

so basically, al, aerosmith, you guys are dicks.

and btw thats 'accurate' more than 'hardman' vs. 'crybaby'

aero's gonna till the spring if you didnt see the thread

gone, rather

great point, i recommend that everyone stfu until then

get rid of the "until then" and ill cosign

yeah my mistake

countdown to al's self-backpatting apology for being a catalyst for an argument with deej

hey, guys. what have i missed?

countdown to al's self-backpatting apology for being a catalyst for an argument with deej

― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, November 26, 2010 4:08 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

i can't even begin to figure out what this means or what i'm supposed to say. "i'm sorry, but i'm a better person for being able to say i'm sorry, and i'm glad i...was a catalyst for j0hn to argue with you"? talk normal, dude.

no its just a fun rhetorical trick u do where you make it seem like oops i accidently tripped the deej-wire instead of recognizing that u were straight up trolling me & have as much of a hand in this argument as i do

lots of 'board regulars' post on many threads and end up getting into different conversations and arguments with other 'board regulars.' occasionally there is a kind of running unpleasantness between 2 people, but honestly when someone says "you're following me from thread to thread and stalking me just to argue with me," it usually feels like they're actually saying "the only reason you can possibly be disagreeing with me on this thread is that you have a PERSONAL GRUDGE with me, there's no way you could actually honestly object to my post."

yes, thats what im saying he is doing
i dont know if its a 'personal grudge' or if its just that he thinks hes helping me out or what his motive is, but it does genuinely feel like hes going out of his way to take issue with basically everything i say

there arent other posters who do this on every thread that way. ill agree with alfred on one & disagree on another, or you, or jordan, or whoever else

i do think there is some truth to the whole "RAISE YR STANDARDS" argument -- i think the tons of praise & acclaim (and sales) that wayne got for a half assed album like carter III, where critics pretty much said that you can make an album compelling by being a massive drug addict that makes it impossible to put out a coherent string of 14 songs led to some lazy rap music in its wake

also every time i hear "too many urkles on your team / that's why your wins low" i can't help but rmde because all i can think of is

http://www.highsnobiety.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kanye-west-entourage-fashion-week-paris.jpg

i never realized how much the dude to kanye's immediate right looks like the baby photo of wayne on the cover of C3

hahaha

So I just bought the mp3 album from Amazon (it was only $3.99!) Every song title has [Explicit] after it and the artwork is this pixelated bullshit:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41xOqhiBlpL._SS160_.jpg

i made some comment on twitter a while back about how hypocritical "too many urkels on your team" is coming from the guy who signed fonsworth bentley

whitey wants his armless phoenix porn and he wants it now

Damn straight. Easy enough fix, i know, but really?

we don't need another discussion about the pixelated cover art do we

anyway, i bought the album finally & the packaging is really cool

reading the liners was funny -- apparently teyena taylor as "additional vocals" on "dark fantasy" & "hell of a life" (along w/ the-dream) & alicia keys has "additional vocals" on "lost in the world"

i literally had to google teyana taylor to remember whether she was the person who did "google me" -- prophetic song

yeah when i read that she was doing some parts in kanye's performance in new york the other night i was like "huh" & now i have no idea why she's on this album

i really hope that she didn't just lay down vocals in la or nyc or something and def jam footed the bill for her trip to hawaii to lay down imperceptible backing vocals on two songs

Personally I'm loving this album still. In terms of both listenability and as a remarkable album of the generation.
I think there's a backlash here for backlash's sake.

Who is the "Yeezy taught me" voice in the Chris Rock skit?

Personally I'm loving this album still. In terms of both listenability and as a remarkable album of the generation.
I think there's a backlash here for backlash's sake.

― Josh L, Friday, November 26, 2010 5:45 PM (21 minutes ago)

not only is this the album of a generation, but it is listenable to boot!

I hate statements like "the backlash is for backlash's sake." No, it's because people genuinely don't think it's a masterpiece.

some trolling going on here

this review OTM: http://cureforbedbugs.tumblr.com/post/1693867778/kanye-inching-toward-the-top-ten

I kind of hated MBDTF the first couple of times I heard it -- production seemed ugly and abrasive and overblown -- but after listening to all five albums back-to-back the other day, it didn't feel as out of place within his catalogue. I'm not sure if that's a point in this album's favor or a point against the others, but I did feel like I appreciated it more.

how do you mean "not as out of place in his catalogue"? To my ears the only outlier is 808's.

i never realized how much the dude to kanye's immediate right looks like the baby photo of wayne on the cover of C3

― J0rdan S., Friday, November 26, 2010 3:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

looooool

thats amazing bcuz its the look on his face, not the look of his face