yeah - that's really indicative of the point that a lot of people, for whatever reason, just desperately want this to be a masterpiece.
baffling really - as i've written elsewhere today, when i first listened to this, before any reviews had been written (or i knew that i'd have to write about it), it was so underwhelming that i pretty much assumed critical reception would be lukewarm, or at best mixed.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 26 November 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link
^ If I had a dollar...
― PEAVEY Ó))) (Ówen P.), Friday, 26 November 2010 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link
how do we expect these guys to actually make genius albums if we give average albums like this 10/10?
this strikes me as an odd reading of the critic/artist relationship
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Friday, November 26, 2010 9:09 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Yeah it's not as if Kanye sat down in his studio and went "yeah, make an average album, Pitchfork will offer it 10.0 and my place in the pantheon will be assured forever".
― Matt DC, Friday, November 26, 2010 10:03 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you've got it backwards -- the guy who writes "I'm so appalled, spalding ball" and gets unanimously praised as the biggest genius in hip hop is never going to bother to step his rap game up
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Friday, 26 November 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i hate to be all Alex in NYC "RAISE YOUR STANDARDS" about this, but the reviews are basically saying that this album is as good as it gets, and that's just kind of sad. if Kanye is trying to be the greatest of all time, there's nothing wrong with saying uh, hey, this isn't really meeting your lofty goals, better luck next time.
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Friday, 26 November 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
duff11damien
26 November 2010 10:57AM
Alex = clueless, obviously not a true hip hop fan. 808's was prob the best album from Kwest
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Friday, 26 November 2010 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
"I'm so appalled, spalding ball"
lol wait seriously?
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 November 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
at least once or twice a month i'll go to check my e-mail and there's a message from deej on gchat or AIM about him venting about some ilx beef, often on a thread i haven't even posted on or looked at, and i'm like "uh dude why do you need talk about this outside the board and why do you assume i'd have your back"
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Thursday, November 25, 2010 8:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
when the hell did i last do that? i like how u imply that ive *just done this*
& yeah i dont know how u cant have noticed j0hn posting in every other thread these days disagreeing w/ me about everything but hes even made jokes about it in threads where he didnt know enough about whatever issue to actually disagree
― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, 26 November 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link
shellac, gza, politics, currensy, kanye, im missing some obvious ones where dude just seems to follow me around to tell me im wrong
― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, 26 November 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
at least when al is a dishonest asshole it doesnt have the feel of a stalker-y vendetta
― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, 26 November 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
lol you're clinically insane
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 November 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i55.tinypic.com/12677zp.png
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Friday, 26 November 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link
it sucks because just yesterday my fifth deej-monitoring notebook filled up & I can't properly keep track til I get a new one but going to the store today is completely out of the question
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 26 November 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― 'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Friday, 26 November 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
deej i'm not asking you to stop being a hardman AND a crybaby, but just pick one or another, it makes no sense to be both
― some dude, Friday, 26 November 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish my review would be added to Metacritic, but I guess a newspaper that has a circulation of over 800,000 a day isn't good enough for them :p
― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 26 November 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Btw... I can't get over Rawse's verse. And people are actually complaining about how "bad it is". WTF?
― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 26 November 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
― some dude, Friday, November 26, 2010 1:54 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark
the fuck?? this isnt some persona game u dork. i dont get the big deal about me IMing you either -- its not like im going out of my way, i just ctrl-tab to gchat and look theres a member of the same discussion community online.
aerosmith has been basically arguing w/ me in a continuing series of threads no matter what the subject. he doesnt do this with other posters. he shows up, argues with me in a condescending way, whether he's wrong (usually) or its a genuine philosophical disagreement (maaaaybe the politics thread). obvi i dont think hes actually "stalking" me but its a way of suggesting that u know maybe his obsession w/ disagreeing w/ me might just be a little weird
i dont even get where hes accusing me of backpedaling on this thread ... all i did was bring up nitsuh's article a second time which you got all hardman about, i said u sounded butthurt. see what i mean? its just like, carrying old beefs from other threads into this one bcuz i happen to be confrontational w/ you in this one.
so basically, al, aerosmith, you guys are dicks.
― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, 26 November 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
and btw thats 'accurate' more than 'hardman' vs. 'crybaby'
― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, 26 November 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
aero's gonna till the spring if you didnt see the thread
― markers, Friday, 26 November 2010 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
gone, rather
― markers, Friday, 26 November 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
great point, i recommend that everyone stfu until then
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Friday, 26 November 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
get rid of the "until then" and ill cosign
― markers, Friday, 26 November 2010 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah my mistake
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
countdown to al's self-backpatting apology for being a catalyst for an argument with deej
― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
hey, guys. what have i missed?
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, November 26, 2010 4:08 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark
i can't even begin to figure out what this means or what i'm supposed to say. "i'm sorry, but i'm a better person for being able to say i'm sorry, and i'm glad i...was a catalyst for j0hn to argue with you"? talk normal, dude.
― some dude, Friday, 26 November 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
no its just a fun rhetorical trick u do where you make it seem like oops i accidently tripped the deej-wire instead of recognizing that u were straight up trolling me & have as much of a hand in this argument as i do
― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
lots of 'board regulars' post on many threads and end up getting into different conversations and arguments with other 'board regulars.' occasionally there is a kind of running unpleasantness between 2 people, but honestly when someone says "you're following me from thread to thread and stalking me just to argue with me," it usually feels like they're actually saying "the only reason you can possibly be disagreeing with me on this thread is that you have a PERSONAL GRUDGE with me, there's no way you could actually honestly object to my post."
― some dude, Friday, 26 November 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, thats what im saying he is doingi dont know if its a 'personal grudge' or if its just that he thinks hes helping me out or what his motive is, but it does genuinely feel like hes going out of his way to take issue with basically everything i say
there arent other posters who do this on every thread that way. ill agree with alfred on one & disagree on another, or you, or jordan, or whoever else
― challop and a muff (deej), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i do think there is some truth to the whole "RAISE YR STANDARDS" argument -- i think the tons of praise & acclaim (and sales) that wayne got for a half assed album like carter III, where critics pretty much said that you can make an album compelling by being a massive drug addict that makes it impossible to put out a coherent string of 14 songs led to some lazy rap music in its wake
― J0rdan S., Friday, 26 November 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
also every time i hear "too many urkles on your team / that's why your wins low" i can't help but rmde because all i can think of is
http://www.highsnobiety.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/kanye-west-entourage-fashion-week-paris.jpg
― J0rdan S., Friday, 26 November 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i never realized how much the dude to kanye's immediate right looks like the baby photo of wayne on the cover of C3
― J0rdan S., Friday, 26 November 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
hahaha
― some dude, Friday, 26 November 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
So I just bought the mp3 album from Amazon (it was only $3.99!) Every song title has [Explicit] after it and the artwork is this pixelated bullshit:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41xOqhiBlpL._SS160_.jpg
― A solo Beatle--Paul, George, John, Yoko, etc. (Whitey on the Moon), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i made some comment on twitter a while back about how hypocritical "too many urkels on your team" is coming from the guy who signed fonsworth bentley
― some dude, Friday, 26 November 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
whitey wants his armless phoenix porn and he wants it now
Damn straight. Easy enough fix, i know, but really?
― A solo Beatle--Paul, George, John, Yoko, etc. (Whitey on the Moon), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
we don't need another discussion about the pixelated cover art do we
― J0rdan S., Friday, 26 November 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway, i bought the album finally & the packaging is really cool
reading the liners was funny -- apparently teyena taylor as "additional vocals" on "dark fantasy" & "hell of a life" (along w/ the-dream) & alicia keys has "additional vocals" on "lost in the world"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 26 November 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i literally had to google teyana taylor to remember whether she was the person who did "google me" -- prophetic song
― some dude, Friday, 26 November 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah when i read that she was doing some parts in kanye's performance in new york the other night i was like "huh" & now i have no idea why she's on this album
― J0rdan S., Friday, 26 November 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i really hope that she didn't just lay down vocals in la or nyc or something and def jam footed the bill for her trip to hawaii to lay down imperceptible backing vocals on two songs
― J0rdan S., Friday, 26 November 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Personally I'm loving this album still. In terms of both listenability and as a remarkable album of the generation.I think there's a backlash here for backlash's sake.
― Josh L, Friday, 26 November 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Who is the "Yeezy taught me" voice in the Chris Rock skit?
― She Got the Shakes, Friday, 26 November 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link
― Josh L, Friday, November 26, 2010 5:45 PM (21 minutes ago)
not only is this the album of a generation, but it is listenable to boot!
― overtheseas aeroplanes I have flown (k3vin k.), Friday, 26 November 2010 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I hate statements like "the backlash is for backlash's sake." No, it's because people genuinely don't think it's a masterpiece.
― altered boners (rennavate), Friday, 26 November 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
some trolling going on here
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 November 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
this review OTM: http://cureforbedbugs.tumblr.com/post/1693867778/kanye-inching-toward-the-top-ten
― Here we are in a sticky situation/ (Tape Store), Friday, 26 November 2010 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I kind of hated MBDTF the first couple of times I heard it -- production seemed ugly and abrasive and overblown -- but after listening to all five albums back-to-back the other day, it didn't feel as out of place within his catalogue. I'm not sure if that's a point in this album's favor or a point against the others, but I did feel like I appreciated it more.
― Domingo Halliburton (jaymc), Friday, 26 November 2010 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link
how do you mean "not as out of place in his catalogue"? To my ears the only outlier is 808's.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 November 2010 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link