Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

"Just Dance" is about dancing.

dunno about late reg vs. thriller, but it still stands as the best thing kanye's done by a huge margin

"Poker Face" is about taping an ace of spades to your forehead.

(but back to the album, ppl REALLY think "Devil in a Blue Dress" is the best song on here????????????????????? wtf)

gaga/madonna is just lazy

i think it's valid

'80s madonna + select bits of erotica, ray of light, confessions > the fame monster/the fame > all other madonna in the last 20 years

Paparazzi is about the aftermath of the French Revolution

this record is so classic it needs a thread for its own thread

like, how can you complain about other songs being shoddy half thought out bullshit and then be like "but the song that just has a slightly sped-up vocal loop over a rudimentary beat? THAT IS A JAM"

Please reassure me that Devil In A Blue Dress has nothing whatsoever to do with the Donae'o track...

ha

no, it does not

madonna so much smarter and bringing things from club culture, gay culture, fashion, new york, etc into american living rooms/cineplexes during reagan era so far beyond anything gaga doing which just seems like an 8th graders clumsy idea of what avant garde is over what is admittedly by many leagues the best example of the default pop sound of the age. i can't imagine her provoking her own dj sprinkles, unless boney m reunites.

so it's decided then, Kanye is the new Madonna

lol

tho it's kinda the opposite - madonna's force of personality enabled her to overcome her limited talent - kanye's personality sabotages his actual talent

― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 12:02 PM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dunno, obviously Kanye is often a great producer but that's not necessarily about a skill set that involves a lot of raw talent -- especially since a lot of his best production decisions involve samples and how he deploys them. i think of him as someone without a lot of natural musical gifts who's climbed his way to the top by sheer will, perhaps even more so than Madonna, who had a bit more in the way of looks and natural charisma on her side.

madonna cleared out a space that didn't even exist, lady gaga lives there now

Actually, Madonna was once an excellent songwriter with a good ear for hooks.

and she can still cough them out on occasion.

you don't release top notch pop songs for 20+ years without bringing some songwriting talent to the table of a revolving door of producers.

when shes not sucking on hard candy xpost

also, kanye's obsession with (white) high society/aristocracy signifiers does remind me of those few years where madonna tried to be huntin-and-shootin english landed gentry

you don't release top notch pop songs for 20+ years without bringing some songwriting talent to the table of a revolving door of producers.)

srsly.

Well half the song is actual instrumentation + sample loop but w/e

Its actually called "devil in a new dress" btw

yeah Madonna is obviously a talented musician on some levels, but when you're putting her in the context of being peers with Prince and MJ it gets hard not to characterize her as someone more lucky and driven than gifted

yeah devil in a new dress is not one of my faves but I do like the progression/ornamentation of the arrangement

well yeah, but that's like saying "Tom Petty is pretty good but next to Dylan it's hard not to characterize him as someone more lucky and driven than gifted."

xpost

this album is def kanye's "hard promises"

actually kanye might be more like john cougar mellencamp, kinda bratty and with a huge chip on his shoulder and an inferiority complex

i dunno, obviously Kanye is often a great producer but that's not necessarily about a skill set that involves a lot of raw talent -- especially since a lot of his best production decisions involve samples and how he deploys them. i think of him as someone without a lot of natural musical gifts who's climbed his way to the top by sheer will

kanye knows how to write hooks, often vocal ones, that have nothing to do w/ samples

but he doesn't know when to stop, he just runs the damn things into the ground

little black balls for you and me

xp

you mean like saying "WHEN OJ HAD ISOTONERS" 50 times in one song?

^^^ he was actually punning on my name

I like the mellencamp comparison

guy was pegged as a meathead rocker but he wanted to tilt at the serious artist crown, he got respect for trying, def became part of the pop culture milieu, but not with the impact of dylan or springsteen

kanye's bristles against his own limitations but it's frequently NAGL, I'm not so concerned about his self-obsessiveness - in a genre where shouting out yr own name every couple of minutes is de rigueur it's like so what - but rapping about yr own talent and creativity comes off like some high school ish, show don't tell

i mean the guy has three #1 singles, four other top ten singles, four top twenty singles... it's just a crazy argument

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

going back to yesterday, but since j0rdan was busting my chops here, kanye's only had two pop #1s that i'm aware of (i know: lol "only"), one quite brief. "golddigger" was HUGE, no argument, but in that it towers over any other single he's had. and it was half a decade ago. like circa andre 3000's career. six top 10s over six years is nothing to sneeze at, but i'm not saying he's trivial, a non-star. i'm saying that the rush to compare him to mj/prince and crown him the most important recording artist of his era is at least a little weird. i mean, michael jackson had 10 #1s, 20 top 10s by 1988, 7 top 10 singles off thriller alone. he'd had a 15 year pop career by that point, fine, but prince put up comparable numbers during a five year period in the 80s. like 14 top 10 hits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LcnE_SM6x0

I smell a bonus track for the deluxe deluxe edition!

notable moment, when he compares his public response to his interviews to the triumph an abuse survivor might feel if their abusers assaulted them in public

lol also he complains that Taylor Swift never came to his defense

he can call it "Geppetto Story"

o_O omg the abuse mention

lol "PLAY THE CHORDS LOWER"

also love when he unexpectedly plays captain save-a-gwb

wait, is he now going to bat for GWB

xpost!

holy hell this dude

OMG "they exploited my popularity to make you think GWB is stupid"

Dunno if this had been linked yet:

http://bullybloggers.wordpress.com/2010/11/24/touch-the-junk/

dunno about late reg vs. thriller, but it still stands as the best thing kanye's done by a huge margin

― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:03 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol you 'dunno' about that, really??

I mainly want Kanye to say outright "being unimaginably wealthy & immensely famous is much, much worse than being torn apart by wolves and left to die on a freezing mountainside"

I'm not so concerned about his self-obsessiveness

I am ready to retract this statement

haaa

lol you 'dunno' about that, really??

yeah, i 'dunno' that it is not an insanely stupid comparison

when do we get to the part when he takes off all his clothes and runs around in public

oh wait