Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

comparing this to SOTT is like comparing your grandma's fried chicken to Shake n Bake.

Even though I really didn't care for it when I listened that one time, when I saw this in HMV yesterday I was soooooo tempted to buy it. God knows why. Put it down once I saw Toy Story 3 (which I also didn't buy, mainly because I had to put it down and go outside for some phone signal).

twisted fantasy vs. 'hello'

wow someone's actually just gone ahead and compared this thing to sign o the times

comparing this to SOTT is total sacrilege to me.

― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:35 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

co fucking sign

like...beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right

c'mon face up to the fact that we just aren't going to get a sign o the times of our own!

this is more abbey road to me (i.e. a bloated horrible mess unjustly hyped)

Abbey Road at least ends in less than forty minutes.

Next week, with Black Friday looming, look for Roc-A-Fella/IDJ’s Kanye West to debut at #1, with Cash Money/Universal Motown’s Nicki Minaj a lock for #2, Other new releases include Reprise’s My Chemical Romance, Def Jam/IDJ’s Ne-Yo, Roc Nation’s Jay-Z greatest hits album, SRC/Universal Motown’s Akon, Arista Nashville’s Alan Jackson, RCA/RMG’s Burlesque soundtrack (with Christina Aguilera and Cher), Universal Republic’s Atomic Tom, Warner Bros. Nashville’s John Rich and Kemosabe/RCA/RMG’s Ke$ha deluxe edition.

also why stop at SOTT? MBDTF vs Sgt Pepper's!

stupid xposts

3 versions of 'hello', an 8 minute version of 'bob george', 'my name is prince', kirstie alley, a pro-coke version of 'pop life', & a passive aggressive version of 'purple rain' = twisted fantasy

"Really this is most analogous to Beethoven's symphonies"

i'm pretty much down to comparing this to any beatles album really, it's THAT bad

like...beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right

Yeah, I don't get this at all. Hooray death of the monoculture, etc.

beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right

odd how much lex and I see eye to eye these days...

also hoping more for our generations motor booty affair than sott

Hooray death of the monoculture, etc.

I started a thread about this awhile back. it did not go well.

uh guys I don't think y'all noticed but the point was that kanye can't really measure up to prior pop achievements, not that dude has made a classic on the same shelf

i blame nostalgia culture, esp for things people weren't sentient enough to actually remember

the only one of these analogies i hear batted about that actually manages to annoy me is when ppl go gaga = madonna. i'm pro-gaga but motherfucker plz.

Late Registration is better than any MJ record imo.

that is because you are insane

gaga/madonna is just lazy, like kate bush/tori amos - they work within broadly the same genre but their approaches and skills and general aesthetics are hugely different

either way, "better" is not as important a distinction in this discussion as "central to pop culture"

xxp

i'll take late registration over any marlon jackson record.

thriller has paul mccartney, late registration has cam'ron. naturally lr is better.

i'll take late registration over any marlon jackson record.

lol touche

I'll take wanda jackson over any kanye record

there isn't a music act working thats remotely "central to pop culture". the 'huge' ones a lucky to get "peripheral to pop culture".

gaga = madonna works on the image-as-story thing, right? if you take the music out of it, the comparison totally works.

there isn't a music act working thats remotely "central to pop culture". the 'huge' ones a lucky to get "peripheral to pop culture".

― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (15 seconds ago) Bookmark

beyonce?

I think balls is otm. stars are smaller these days.

It is a massive stretch to say that Gaga's approach and general aesthetics are "hugely different" from Madonna's; it's more that they are both a product of their times than anything else but the points of view are very, very close.

Gaga is, of course, a way better singer.

mostly because the firmament itself has expanded exponentially xp

I'll take wanda jackson over any kanye record

― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:52 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

OTM

gaga = madonna works on the image-as-story thing, right?

yeah but the actual images they employ are (have become) pretty different - gaga's way more rococo/fantastical/surrealist and goes out of her way to erase any lingering trace of girl-next-door; madonna retained that throughout many of her image changes and played with pre-existing archetypes a lot more

then you've got gaga as someone who's obv overflowing with raw talent in terms of singing and songwriting, versus madonna who willed herself to overcome her limitations there etc etc

haha xps

I tend to think Madonna eased into her visual mastery. She was a club/disco artist first.

anyway i thot gaga just ripped roisin murphy

I don't think Gaga/Madonna is THAT lazy, because Gaga is almost certainly actively trying to be this generation's Madonna. That might just be because the shadow that Madonna casts over female mainstream pop is larger than that of even Jacko and Prince. Partly because Jacko and Prince are in a more crowded room full of male icons whereas Madonna is out on her own.

Xpost - the actual images they employ are irrelevant here given I expect Gaga to change hers several times over the course of her career.

Madonna stopped being the girl next door after "Like A Virgin" blew up! I guess maybe you could argue for "Like A Prayer" and "Cherish" but most of her imagery from that point forward was "oh btw I am a fabulous alien, bow before me"

Yes but Gaga would have failed if she just tried the pre-existing archetypes thing and had to go post-madonna.

then you've got gaga as someone who's obv overflowing with raw talent in terms of singing and songwriting, versus madonna who willed herself to overcome her limitations there etc etc

so it's decided then, Kanye is the new Madonna

lol

The image of Kanye in a gold-coned bustier is pretty much going to ruin my entire Thanksgiving weekend.

Black Balls Ambition

how 'bout the image of Kanye romping in the surf in a Herb Ribbs-shot video?

Madonna stopped being the girl next door after "Like A Virgin" blew up!

idk, a lot of her songs after "like a virgin" are about explicitly "normal" things - fundamentally relatable. gaga doesn't seem all that bothered about being "relatable".

material grill

first 5 songs still sounding classic c. day 3. and deej not getting "power" only makes sense.

but uh THIS RECORD NEEDS ITS OWN THREAD, or you all OK w/ weeding through 5k posts in 2012?

gum smacking kanye leading griffin dunne astray in a howard hawks knockoff

A large number of Gaga's songs are also about explicitly "normal" things; it's her videos/stage show that is "strange".