Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

Don't think this has anything to do with defining the decade though? It doesn't relate to the direction hiphop or indie or etc. is going in. Pop maybe I think the next Gaga/JT/next Swedish craze will be more important in that case.

Exactly, hence jumping the gun.

it totally relates to the direction mainstream hip hop is headed in at the moment, although of course that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on the next 9 years and nobody can really predict that far ahead anyway.

Except the Mayans

does mainstream hiphop still exist? /or what does this have to do with the upcoming t.i*./young jeezy/soulja boy?

*or did this actually come out and i just didn't notice?

but i mean, grading on scale i see no problem w/ calling him the "MJ" of our generation -- raw chart numbers are only part of the story obv, or else you could just hand that title to usher

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:32 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah, this is nuts. mj is in a classification that doesn't even exist anymore. mj's pop saturation meant 1st graders and grandmas knew his stuff, you couldn't get in somebody's car without stepping on a copy of thriller, there was absolutely no escape from the guy. kanye self-selects an audience just by dint of his language and themes.

kanye might be the prince of his generation but even that's stretching it

MBDTF vs. purple rain and let me know when to stop laughing

does mainstream hiphop still exist? /or what does this have to do with the upcoming t.i*./young jeezy/soulja boy?

*or did this actually come out and i just didn't notice?

― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:02 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

for starters, Nicki has a starmaking turn on the album and the whole aesthetic of the album heavily influences and/or is influenced by Kid Cudi and Drake, and those 3 artists latest/next albums will probably sell more than those of the 3 artists you named

is the nicki actually selling? also sorry i forgot lol young money types, i live in a place they are easy to ignore.

there's a whole convo somewhere upthread about how some sources are reporting that Minaj's album is selling as well as and possibly even more than Kanye's this week

won the 10 but lost the war

find that v. v. hard to believe

why

poor yeezy, he's being curtis-ed

That was me that was just repeating what was on hits daily double & they're almost always within 10k with their projections -- they probably have actual numbers up now

It sounds crazy to me too but what kanye has in "buzz" nicki has in near radio omnipresence since the spring or so

MBDTF vs. purple rain and let me know when to stop laughing

if anything, it makes more sense to compare the two sprawling, overstuffed, slightly inconsistent/flawed, but thoroughly compelling epic albums -- twisted fantasy vs. sign 'o' the times, anyone?

yeah i mean the singles off her album are in way heavier rotation than Kanye's, but generally speaking an artist's stature and preexisting fanbase count for a lot w/ first week sales, so i'm still going to be pretty surprised if she does outsell him or even come close.

comparing this to SOTT is total sacrilege to me.

comparing this to SOTT is like comparing your grandma's fried chicken to Shake n Bake.

Even though I really didn't care for it when I listened that one time, when I saw this in HMV yesterday I was soooooo tempted to buy it. God knows why. Put it down once I saw Toy Story 3 (which I also didn't buy, mainly because I had to put it down and go outside for some phone signal).

twisted fantasy vs. 'hello'

wow someone's actually just gone ahead and compared this thing to sign o the times

comparing this to SOTT is total sacrilege to me.

― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:35 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

co fucking sign

like...beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right

c'mon face up to the fact that we just aren't going to get a sign o the times of our own!

this is more abbey road to me (i.e. a bloated horrible mess unjustly hyped)

Abbey Road at least ends in less than forty minutes.

Next week, with Black Friday looming, look for Roc-A-Fella/IDJ’s Kanye West to debut at #1, with Cash Money/Universal Motown’s Nicki Minaj a lock for #2, Other new releases include Reprise’s My Chemical Romance, Def Jam/IDJ’s Ne-Yo, Roc Nation’s Jay-Z greatest hits album, SRC/Universal Motown’s Akon, Arista Nashville’s Alan Jackson, RCA/RMG’s Burlesque soundtrack (with Christina Aguilera and Cher), Universal Republic’s Atomic Tom, Warner Bros. Nashville’s John Rich and Kemosabe/RCA/RMG’s Ke$ha deluxe edition.

also why stop at SOTT? MBDTF vs Sgt Pepper's!

stupid xposts

3 versions of 'hello', an 8 minute version of 'bob george', 'my name is prince', kirstie alley, a pro-coke version of 'pop life', & a passive aggressive version of 'purple rain' = twisted fantasy

"Really this is most analogous to Beethoven's symphonies"

i'm pretty much down to comparing this to any beatles album really, it's THAT bad

like...beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right

Yeah, I don't get this at all. Hooray death of the monoculture, etc.

beginning to think that the argument that some people just want their generation to have its own prince/MJ figure so badly that they'll anoint anyone for anything is actually right

odd how much lex and I see eye to eye these days...

also hoping more for our generations motor booty affair than sott

Hooray death of the monoculture, etc.

I started a thread about this awhile back. it did not go well.

uh guys I don't think y'all noticed but the point was that kanye can't really measure up to prior pop achievements, not that dude has made a classic on the same shelf

i blame nostalgia culture, esp for things people weren't sentient enough to actually remember

the only one of these analogies i hear batted about that actually manages to annoy me is when ppl go gaga = madonna. i'm pro-gaga but motherfucker plz.

Late Registration is better than any MJ record imo.

that is because you are insane

gaga/madonna is just lazy, like kate bush/tori amos - they work within broadly the same genre but their approaches and skills and general aesthetics are hugely different

either way, "better" is not as important a distinction in this discussion as "central to pop culture"

xxp

i'll take late registration over any marlon jackson record.

thriller has paul mccartney, late registration has cam'ron. naturally lr is better.

i'll take late registration over any marlon jackson record.

lol touche

I'll take wanda jackson over any kanye record

there isn't a music act working thats remotely "central to pop culture". the 'huge' ones a lucky to get "peripheral to pop culture".

gaga = madonna works on the image-as-story thing, right? if you take the music out of it, the comparison totally works.

there isn't a music act working thats remotely "central to pop culture". the 'huge' ones a lucky to get "peripheral to pop culture".

― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:52 (15 seconds ago) Bookmark

beyonce?

I think balls is otm. stars are smaller these days.