Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

i mostly agree w/ jordan

that said, diddy is awesome, and diddy is already arty
did everyone forget this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUCYxqR2Dk&feature=fvst

not me!!

Dude, surfboards, Ross KILLS "Devil in a New Dress." He's fantastic on it.

"There was a time when Kanye West seemed too inventive, too smart and too good for pop music."

WHEN WAS KANYE NOT POP MUSIC?

still making my way through the posts since yesterday but

it's like he became this symbolic "megastar" simply because we needed one and he was flawed and narcissistic enough to fit the tenor of the times. this despite the fact he never really did put out the mega-populist breakthrough songs/albums that such pop coronations have traditionally depended on. "golddigger" is still as close as he's come.

is OTM. kanye is sort of the biggest pop star 'by default' (and not even in my book, lady gaga be bigger).

i only skim contederizer posts obv but seriously the last part of that statement is just beyond wrong

The single broke a record for the most digital downloads in a week [1], selling over 80,000 digital downloads, and was also the fastest selling digital download of all time; both records have since been broken. It was 2005's second-longest running number one on the Billboard Hot 100 at ten weeks, behind Mariah Carey's "We Belong Together".

The song lists at number 49 on Billboard magazine's All Time Top 100[2] and at 9 on the Billboard Hot 100 Songs of the Decade

so, that's just objectively wrong

it was only the #1 song in the country for 10 weeks, no coronation from the pop audience

that wasn't the point I was OTMing contenderizer about, btw

oh alright -- well he's still wrong

and I think what contenderizer was getting at wasn't just putting out a single megasong/album but putting out a string of mega singles. like yeah gold digger was a huge success, but what other ye songs have come close?

well "stronger" also went #1 on an album that sold like 900k in its first week

yeah but how long did it stay there

one week i think, altho knocking "crank dat" -- one of the biggest hits of the decade -- off is a feat in of itself

yeah but then crank dat retook the #1 spot for like 6 weeks afterwards according to wiki

i mean the guy has three #1 singles, four other top ten singles, four top twenty singles... it's just a crazy argument

yeah but do they warrant MJ comparisons?

the argument is that maybe the category 'biggest pop star in the world right now' is no longer as important as it used to be even 10 years ago

nah, but who does? mariah?

the argument is that maybe the category 'biggest pop star in the world right now' is no longer as important as it used to be even 10 years ago

― ＿|￣|○|￣|○|￣|○ (dayo), Wednesday, November 24, 2010 1:29 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark

well i don't think anyone would argue against this, altho i'd say that over the past few months or so kanye has definitely been the most omnipresent person in pop culture

but i mean, grading on scale i see no problem w/ calling him the "MJ" of our generation -- raw chart numbers are only part of the story obv, or else you could just hand that title to usher

dunno, but it highlights part of my problem with the crit adulation - that this is an "important album" from "the biggest pop star in the world", except that category has atrophied severely in the 00s

i guess, that doesn't mean it's not true tho

yeah but the logic of most reviews seems to be, ambitious album from biggest pop star in the world -> automatic 10!!

i don't think the qualifier of BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN AS MUCH ANYMORE changes the conversation at all

can i just point out he was just beefing on CNN w/ an ex-president? the guy is a huge pop star

I think it does! xp

i think the qualifier itself is the extent of that conversation

can someone post the power vid here? youtube only gives me leaks w/ no videos or 'occult analysis' type things that i will watch when not at work so i can lol.

it's less than 2 minutes long and is basically a CGI screensaver where very little happens, so if nobody finds it you're not missing much

I posted the Power vid 2 days ago!

djp this thread is like a million messages long

okay, but a) I posted about it within 10 posts of you asking about videos from this album, and b) it's almost 2011, invest in some broadband

it's also almost 2012, so maybe don't worry about watching shitty music videos, the apocalypse is coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE

THEY FLY SLOWLY @ U FACE WITH SWORDS

oh thats the video? i just assumed that was a screenshot + song.

kinda sums up the whole album tbqh

wait, Kanye does music?

Who are we trying to fool. This is clearly not the 'Kid A' of our new decade.

this only works if you believe Kid A was the #1 "big artistic statement" of last decade, amirite?

Does feel a bit like Pitchfork were jumping the gun and were trying to define the decade very early on.

Don't think this has anything to do with defining the decade though? It doesn't relate to the direction hiphop or indie or etc. is going in. Pop maybe I think the next Gaga/JT/next Swedish craze will be more important in that case.

Exactly, hence jumping the gun.

it totally relates to the direction mainstream hip hop is headed in at the moment, although of course that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on the next 9 years and nobody can really predict that far ahead anyway.

Except the Mayans

does mainstream hiphop still exist? /or what does this have to do with the upcoming t.i*./young jeezy/soulja boy?

*or did this actually come out and i just didn't notice?

but i mean, grading on scale i see no problem w/ calling him the "MJ" of our generation -- raw chart numbers are only part of the story obv, or else you could just hand that title to usher

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, November 24, 2010 2:32 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah, this is nuts. mj is in a classification that doesn't even exist anymore. mj's pop saturation meant 1st graders and grandmas knew his stuff, you couldn't get in somebody's car without stepping on a copy of thriller, there was absolutely no escape from the guy. kanye self-selects an audience just by dint of his language and themes.

kanye might be the prince of his generation but even that's stretching it