Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

oh man -- the Neville Bros

Wait a few posts up the word artiness got motives with the word people somehow...something about it being loud i forget.

it's a nice build up i think, it feels like a developed idea -- building from a spare sample up into something more elaborate & ornamental -- bringing in the electric guitar to mimic the melody of the sample & going from there

i mean taste is taste re that ross verse but i'm not sure how you can like ross & not like that verse -- not sure what you're hearing

Wait who produced Flashing Lights?

i hear a verse that pretty much says nothing. he has a ton of verses like that of course, but this one is just like completely meandering. kanye's verse is prob the best moment of the album, it's beautiful.

"you love me for me could you be more phony?" dope.

and then ross just loses the point and talks about his money and cars and planes and drug trafficking exploits

yeah who would've thought that rick ross would've rapped about his money and cars and planes and drug trafficking exploits

yeah but that's what makes a song a song. instead of two different songs

Wait who produced Flashing Lights?

― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:21 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

Eric Hudson, did Omarion's "Entourage" and some other dope R&B shit

kanye has his head so far up his ass he doesnt realize he used to make his guest rappers think so hard about what to write they actually rapped about that...like on we major

do you not fuck with "drive slow" cuz paul wall comes in and raps about slabs and being posted up

do you not fuck with "touch the sky" cuz lupe fiasco comes in and raps about mrs. butterworth as opposed to how he used to be broke

lol dude if there is one song with a clear idea it's "drive slow"

i dont know who the fuck cares what lupe says

i see what youre trying to do but

kanye;s verse and ross' verse on this particular song have nothing to do with each other

drive slow is about driving slow around your neighborhood so you can holler at girls. both verses. not gonna go back to touch the sky

and nevermind thematic unity the way the song feels like it's over and then Ross just shows up feels very tacked on and poorly paced to me

yeah but the point is that both ross & paul wall's verses in those songs are them on autopilot, but it's still TOP NOTCH autopilot in both instances -- i don't think it blunts the impact of either song

and nevermind thematic unity the way the song feels like it's over and then Ross just shows up feels very tacked on and poorly paced to me

― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:40 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark

this makes slightly more sense to me, esp because, you know, we heard the ross-less version, but i think it makes sense when he comes in -- they let the instrumentation build up a bit

fuck it, i don't even have to analyze lupe's verse, that song was about come up int eh spot lookin extra fly

light subject matter, perfectly fine for a young rapper to come in a dazzle with wordplay and boasts

Devil is about loneliness and depression and emptiness and all the great shit we love about 2010 tragic kanye...

J0rdan if Nuno Bettencourt played a dope guitar solo on the song would you say it belonged because it was dope or would you say nice guitar dude doesn't really belong on this song at all tho

dude is there ever any point to your posts on this thread

no

except for that one about critical theory

DUDE. Kanye and Paul wall on "drive slow" have literally mirror image verses. That song is about one thing.

T.I.'s verse on the video mix fits the theme really well too

My point is that it's not just that Ross feels tacked on, he's just wrong whereas Paul wall was right for his feature

yeah i know, i was just chiming in with why it doesn't work for me. there are very few Ross verses where i can even remember what he said or what he's talking about.

I THINK I'M BIG MEECH

Who are we trying to fool. This is clearly not the 'Kid A' of our new decade.

Yeah that's true but it's like always about the same shut so if you want to hear that it's tight

That was to some dude.

There are is one line that kinda recalls kanye's verse

"stretch minousine sippin rosé all alone/ double headed monster with a mind of his own"

I never needed acceptance from all you outsiders
Had cyphers with Yeezy before his mouth wired
Before his jaw shattered
climbin' up the Lord's ladder

^^c'mon this is awesome

Not as awesome as

These muthafuckas mad that I'm icy!!!!!!!

no

Nah that's obv a powerful bit in his verse bit it's just like such a personal song ate beginning and so interesting. That's what this album is ostensibly about... His fucking dark fantasy of a life! It was a weird choice to have Rick Ross on that song and I think it's one exams of his lack of focus on the album. It's like he thinks any idea is a good idea.

i think your criticism is better applied to the rae verse tbh -- i think ross sounds too... at home over that beat to hate it

Yeah I don't get that song. It's kind of a mess

i know i'm not supposed to get mad at this kinda shit but the first line of this review makes me want to strangle the writer

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2010/11/kanye-west-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy.html

long live the death of that piece of shit magazine

i mostly agree w/ jordan

that said, diddy is awesome, and diddy is already arty
did everyone forget this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMUCYxqR2Dk&feature=fvst

not me!!

Dude, surfboards, Ross KILLS "Devil in a New Dress." He's fantastic on it.

"There was a time when Kanye West seemed too inventive, too smart and too good for pop music."

WHEN WAS KANYE NOT POP MUSIC?

still making my way through the posts since yesterday but

it's like he became this symbolic "megastar" simply because we needed one and he was flawed and narcissistic enough to fit the tenor of the times. this despite the fact he never really did put out the mega-populist breakthrough songs/albums that such pop coronations have traditionally depended on. "golddigger" is still as close as he's come.

is OTM. kanye is sort of the biggest pop star 'by default' (and not even in my book, lady gaga be bigger).

i only skim contederizer posts obv but seriously the last part of that statement is just beyond wrong

The single broke a record for the most digital downloads in a week [1], selling over 80,000 digital downloads, and was also the fastest selling digital download of all time; both records have since been broken. It was 2005's second-longest running number one on the Billboard Hot 100 at ten weeks, behind Mariah Carey's "We Belong Together".

The song lists at number 49 on Billboard magazine's All Time Top 100[2] and at 9 on the Billboard Hot 100 Songs of the Decade

so, that's just objectively wrong

it was only the #1 song in the country for 10 weeks, no coronation from the pop audience

that wasn't the point I was OTMing contenderizer about, btw

oh alright -- well he's still wrong

and I think what contenderizer was getting at wasn't just putting out a single megasong/album but putting out a string of mega singles. like yeah gold digger was a huge success, but what other ye songs have come close?