Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

Euler btw if you prefer the last two Kanye records, then I think just ignore this thread and enjoy this record.

yeah i was gonna say, this is probably right up the alley of people who like Graduation/808s more than CD/LR

LR is so much better and even if you really get a hard-on for the baroque pop and/or prog rock shit it's still beating it. "we major" is so much more epic than anything on here. And the real epic has 3 minutes of autotune keyboard Peter frampton noodling...that's not prog

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"devil in a new dress" is the real epic and it's as good as anything ye's ever done

This is his noodling album!! Why the fuck have mike dean toss in a fucking guitar solo in your sig with Raekwon? Jon brion would have been like uhhh let's call it a day

i don't see the bfd about that song, and i'm as big a bink! stan as there is. (xpost)

i didn't get the bfd about the good friday edition, but i think the way it goes from a simple soul sampling joint to a big ornamental thing is awesome -- i love when those guitars come in -- also ross kills that verse & ye spits a bit as well

i'm not gonna defend "runaway" tho, that shit is lazy as all hell & was a huge letdown

"devil" is definitely one of the best tracks, just still waiting for it to sound more than just pleasant to me

Devil in a new dress is NOT the epic, the centerpiece. Runaway is the thesis statement if you could suspend belief enough that there is actually a coherent one. Devil is a throwback it's pretty tight for the band feel but he didn't even co-produce it, mike dean did. "We major" is "Close to the Edge" compared to devil in a new dress

i don't really care who did what -- if it's on the album it's on the album

That song goes from the blueprint nostalgia to Rick Ross fronting the Mike Dean Band

who did what isn't THAT important, but considering that "Flashing Lights" was my favorite on Graduation and he didn't produce that either, I'm not even sure how much i like Kanye as a producer anymore. once it becomes him just helming a production team and picking ideas, all he is is the arty Diddy.

a diddling arty.

you could do a lot worse than being an arty diddy

Ross's verse is rambling and forgettable and I love ross

surfboards aren't you a huge ross stan? how is a dope ross verse over some nice live instrumental shit all of a sudden a bad thing to you?

that's one of the best verses he's ever spit, you're nuts

Yeah there is a problem being the arty diddy: diddy makes weak ass music. The "Artinpeoples so loud people cant hear that they're basically just listening to pretty middle of the road shit for most of the album.

Nah dude that verse is crap, I am a Rick Ross stan

Also, live instrumentation doesn't automatically mean it's genius.

It's not like he got the Neville brothers to play on the track

Also, live instrumentation doesn't automatically mean it's genius.

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

well duh, that's not what i was saying

oh man -- the Neville Bros

Wait a few posts up the word artiness got motives with the word people somehow...something about it being loud i forget.

it's a nice build up i think, it feels like a developed idea -- building from a spare sample up into something more elaborate & ornamental -- bringing in the electric guitar to mimic the melody of the sample & going from there

i mean taste is taste re that ross verse but i'm not sure how you can like ross & not like that verse -- not sure what you're hearing

Wait who produced Flashing Lights?

i hear a verse that pretty much says nothing. he has a ton of verses like that of course, but this one is just like completely meandering. kanye's verse is prob the best moment of the album, it's beautiful.

"you love me for me could you be more phony?" dope.

and then ross just loses the point and talks about his money and cars and planes and drug trafficking exploits

yeah who would've thought that rick ross would've rapped about his money and cars and planes and drug trafficking exploits

yeah but that's what makes a song a song. instead of two different songs

Wait who produced Flashing Lights?

― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:21 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

Eric Hudson, did Omarion's "Entourage" and some other dope R&B shit

kanye has his head so far up his ass he doesnt realize he used to make his guest rappers think so hard about what to write they actually rapped about that...like on we major

do you not fuck with "drive slow" cuz paul wall comes in and raps about slabs and being posted up

do you not fuck with "touch the sky" cuz lupe fiasco comes in and raps about mrs. butterworth as opposed to how he used to be broke

lol dude if there is one song with a clear idea it's "drive slow"

i dont know who the fuck cares what lupe says

i see what youre trying to do but

kanye;s verse and ross' verse on this particular song have nothing to do with each other

drive slow is about driving slow around your neighborhood so you can holler at girls. both verses. not gonna go back to touch the sky

and nevermind thematic unity the way the song feels like it's over and then Ross just shows up feels very tacked on and poorly paced to me

yeah but the point is that both ross & paul wall's verses in those songs are them on autopilot, but it's still TOP NOTCH autopilot in both instances -- i don't think it blunts the impact of either song

and nevermind thematic unity the way the song feels like it's over and then Ross just shows up feels very tacked on and poorly paced to me

― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:40 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark

this makes slightly more sense to me, esp because, you know, we heard the ross-less version, but i think it makes sense when he comes in -- they let the instrumentation build up a bit

fuck it, i don't even have to analyze lupe's verse, that song was about come up int eh spot lookin extra fly

light subject matter, perfectly fine for a young rapper to come in a dazzle with wordplay and boasts

Devil is about loneliness and depression and emptiness and all the great shit we love about 2010 tragic kanye...

J0rdan if Nuno Bettencourt played a dope guitar solo on the song would you say it belonged because it was dope or would you say nice guitar dude doesn't really belong on this song at all tho

dude is there ever any point to your posts on this thread

no

except for that one about critical theory

DUDE. Kanye and Paul wall on "drive slow" have literally mirror image verses. That song is about one thing.

T.I.'s verse on the video mix fits the theme really well too

My point is that it's not just that Ross feels tacked on, he's just wrong whereas Paul wall was right for his feature

yeah i know, i was just chiming in with why it doesn't work for me. there are very few Ross verses where i can even remember what he said or what he's talking about.

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