Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

Carrie Underwood has sold

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man i guess i am just waaaay more disconnected from pop culture than i thought.

as usual I think we (I include myself) are basing our assertions on our own radio experiences. In South Florida, Swift was inescapable before the VMA's.

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Season 4 American Idol winner, aka "country artist who cannot fucking sing a single note yet is still multiplatinum because people are fucking idiots"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaSy8yy-mr8

this is the most bearable song she's done and it's still horrible

hmmmm. doubt she was getting much airplay on the MN pop stations for the VMAs, but i have no basis for that assertion, other than that there are well-established country stations that probably played her plenty. basically i know nothing

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how far we've come: just blaze vs. kanye west

eh -- I don't mind Underwood. Much more nefarious forces at work on the charts.

This is a generalization, but if you listened to pop radio in 2009 you heard Taylor Swift.

I guess it doesn't add up to the discussion since we're speaking American sales but in Mexico and Spain noone I've talked to knows who Taylor Swift is or recognize any of her most popular songs (none of her songs got any radio airplay on the pop radio stations over here as far as Im concerned) whereas Kanye West is pretty wide known by people in my age rank (20-30).

basically as far as I'm concerned the only good thing Carrie Underwood did was save America from BO BICE

otherwise she can go straight into the riverbound rock-filled sack with Owl City

i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad

when is that happening, btw, if they're going into the straight river i wanna score tickets, owatonna's only an hour away

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i mean, kanye the performer doesn't even place among the 20 top selling artists/albums of the decade in terms of US sales, according to what i've been able to dig up. that's unfairly skewed by the late-decade "death of the music industry," of course, but nor is he single-handedly dominating the singles charts.

also, the idea that kanye is better known than swift in general may be due more to the bubble effect of our limited personal experience than any external reality. gbx says: "like she may sell TONS of records, but its mostly to pop country consumers, who evidently buy records en masse that literally never make it to the ears of many radio listeners. whereas: someone who's a pop star and is played on several different stations in a major market will at least be ~known~."

known to who? i suspect that many of the markets in which taylor swift is all over the radio actually are major markets and that many people know kanye west primarily as "that asshole who was rude to taylor" (and/or george bush). we all get myopic about the universality of our own private realities from time to time.

we all get myopic about the universality of our own private realities from time to time.

basically full-time over here

so should I bother dling this

hell yeah

i mean, kanye the performer doesn't even place among the 20 top selling artists/albums of the decade in terms of US sales, according to what i've been able to dig up. that's unfairly skewed by the late-decade "death of the music industry," of course, but nor is he single-handedly dominating the singles charts.

on the Billboard decade-end charts I referred to earlier, which are not skewed by lower sales in the 2nd half of the decade, he's #45, just ahead of Rod Stewart, Ja Rule and (drumroll) Taylor Swift:

http://www.billboard.com/charts-decade-end#/charts-decade-end/billboard-200-artists?year=2009

the only good thing Carrie Underwood did was save America from BO BICE

how can this be a real person? sounds like a baby trying to say obie trice

Record sales data trainspotting is like the duddest thing ever.

sorry dude, i know chart nerd shit is of limited interest even here

Eh I'm mostly just being a dick, but it all just seems irrelevant and meaningless.

i mean u can boggle at the idea that ppl think hes a great artist but yr not just talking about ryan dombal & pfork editors, yr talking about lots & lots of music listeners

rememberin the good old days when deej was busting this line out on the garth brooks thread

on ilx baseless assumptions will always trump hard data

eh, sure chart & sales states are boring, but i wanted some perspective on the "kanye quaffs beverage, chokes woman, celebrates mastery of western civilization" storyline

loooool

This thread doesn't inspire confidence in the album, does it.

I'm still deciding whether to pick this one up. I dunno about as rap albums but as albums I enjoyed his last two more than the first two, & loved 808s a lot. Still, time's always short & this sounds like a hassle from what's said here.

hey speaking of that storyline has anyone written a good piece on this record working in axl rose and eminem (maybe john lennon and kurt cobain too) yet. have avoided reading any reviews (EVEN NABISCO'S), though that 10.0 did prompt a dl. i've barely listened to it but from what i've heard i think my take is gonna be like hansel re: sting.

im glad i heard this & greatly enjoy parts of it & think its an interesting phenomenon, from a distance
dont think his actual celeb personality is an interesting phenomenon (a somewhat defensible position for loving this album is if u DO) and i definitely dont think the album is as artistically significant as he thinks it is in the way he thinks it is (an almost indefensible position -- like hearing Drake ruminate on the lyrical brilliance of his hashtag raps, or minaj talking about chilling with kanye in hawaii & dreaming up ways to come up with better raps, or jay-z's "off that") YET. it retains some interest to me simply by being such a spectacle. Also I sorta go for the baroque-ness of it in parts, if only to listen to once or twice, like a movie, then rarely ever play again

also 'monster' is still a banger imo

okay guys, can we really not figure out that the "choking" mention in "Blame Game" is a reference to deep throating

i'm pretty sure he means having rough sex

Been a long time since I spoke to you
in a bathroom gripping you up and choking you

i think "gripping" pretty much indicates that he's choking her w/ his hand

good morning

okay guys, can we really not figure out that the "choking" mention in "Blame Game" is a reference to deep throating

if yr deep throater chokes he/she is doin it wrong

^^^ I don't know anything about it this is just a rhyme from one of my unreleased raps

are we going to debate the meaning of the "I bruised her esophagus" line now to

Damn you, ship -- this thread had been napping for more than an hour.

lol sorry -- my being away from the computer for a while probably contributed to its dormancy!

Euler btw if you prefer the last two Kanye records, then I think just ignore this thread and enjoy this record.

yeah i was gonna say, this is probably right up the alley of people who like Graduation/808s more than CD/LR

LR is so much better and even if you really get a hard-on for the baroque pop and/or prog rock shit it's still beating it. "we major" is so much more epic than anything on here. And the real epic has 3 minutes of autotune keyboard Peter frampton noodling...that's not prog

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"devil in a new dress" is the real epic and it's as good as anything ye's ever done

This is his noodling album!! Why the fuck have mike dean toss in a fucking guitar solo in your sig with Raekwon? Jon brion would have been like uhhh let's call it a day

i don't see the bfd about that song, and i'm as big a bink! stan as there is. (xpost)

i didn't get the bfd about the good friday edition, but i think the way it goes from a simple soul sampling joint to a big ornamental thing is awesome -- i love when those guitars come in -- also ross kills that verse & ye spits a bit as well

i'm not gonna defend "runaway" tho, that shit is lazy as all hell & was a huge letdown

"devil" is definitely one of the best tracks, just still waiting for it to sound more than just pleasant to me

Devil in a new dress is NOT the epic, the centerpiece. Runaway is the thesis statement if you could suspend belief enough that there is actually a coherent one. Devil is a throwback it's pretty tight for the band feel but he didn't even co-produce it, mike dean did. "We major" is "Close to the Edge" compared to devil in a new dress

i don't really care who did what -- if it's on the album it's on the album