okay maybe not "Monster", can't find a source for that beyond Wikipedia
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
also nothing off of College Dropout was Top 5
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i think "Monster" has peaked at like #18 so far, yeah, might've mentioned it upthread. it's the only one of these songs i've heard a lot on the radio, and it says something when the big shapeless posse cut is outperforming the predestined "pop" single.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link
"Slow Jamz" was on College Dropout
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
"Runaway" hit #12
for comparison's sake, "Jesus Walks" hit #11
xp: "Slow Jamz" is not listed on the Billboard website
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess it was marketed as a Twista single even though it was also on Kanye's album? (which IIRC came out after that song hit)
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
deej (and apparently nitsuh? i haven't read the review) otm about kanye being the perfect pop star for the era of oversharing and MBDTF reflecting this. that's more a part of the album's narrative of importance than a positive or negative quality, though.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/entertainment/When+more+becomes+much/3869323/story.html
Here's my review of this, published today.
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"Slow Jamz" was always on the advances of College Dropout; Twista's label realized it was a hit and pushed it and got his album out first, but it still stayed on Kanye's album.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
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idk about 'shapeless' -- do u just mean 'lacks a chorus'?? its the most immediate for sure
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure any singles off this are gonna do well outside the US - Power only just made the top 40 here, Runaway a new entry this week at 56 - really no idea if that will climb higher or sink at this point
― Noel 1 Kanye 10.0 (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
notice how this contradicts exactly nothing in my post
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
i realllly dont get the critical hosannahs for 'power' -- that song's appeal entirely alludes me
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
doh, eludes
well i just mean oddly structured -- weird intro that sounds nothing like the rest of a song, one verse that goes 4 bars and another that goes 32 bars, long outro that a lot of DJs cut off, etc. all i was saying is that "Monster" is probably the most well liked song on the record and it's not a top 40 hit in the "Gold Digger" mold.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
xp apparently, it sounds like other, better kanye songs
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Where's nabisco's piece, btw?
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
don't think u got a mention in it dogg
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
was a time when only hitting the lower reaches of the top 20 would have signaled the dimming of a once bright star, not the crowning of the new king of pop
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
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I have no idea what you're talking about if you're referring to me.
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
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i was clarifying because your "it came out after the song hit" makes it sound like they just threw it on as a bonus track because it had been big on another artist's album earlier
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
OTM:
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/11/filthy_rich_kanye_wests_royal.html
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I was actually just pointing out why I missed "Slow Jamz", ie Billboard counts it as a Twiasta song and also I hate it
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
ha no, rennavate, it was an ~awesome~ joke about kanye alluding to deej on the track
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link
who think of him as the great artist of our time, our Dylan or our MJ or our Stevie. seriously.
― some dude, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:22 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark
he's not?
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
the crowning of a new king of long rap songs
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
you know who is the true visionary of our time, is that guy from Owl City
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
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hahaha kk that's what i get for showing up in these things are random times without catching up
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
also CAD is right this album is his least pop -- the chart numbers are a bit deceiving cuz they're almost totally based on itunes sales -- none of the songs climbed the charts at all, they were just kinda flares based -- none of these songs are getting major radio play, definitely not compared to his other albums
and this isn't gonna sell that much more than nicki's album apparently, & not even half as much as taylor swift
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye is gonna run into Billboard and yell at them for denying him and Nicki the top spots
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
really liked that nabisco piece, unsurprisingly
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't mind kanye, but mj/stevie comparisons make me hate him.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
It’s not simply Kanye’s ego that puts me in mind of crusty aristocrats: It’s also the drums, samples, melodies, and synths on this album. Crisp, graceful sounds keep bumping up against muddy, sweaty ones. Elegant minor-key melodies keep bumping up against rawness and ego. Opulence bumps up against grit, until the music begins to sound a little decayed, tragic, and under threat.
love this
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:15 (5 minutes ago) Permalink
except hes totally pushing this as an 'album art' type deal, not a comp of hot singles
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
right, so he's not a pop star, he's a fuckin album rock artist
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
which is pretty much the problem with this album
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
well, no
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
he's certainly a pop star
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
and they make no sense. he just hasn't been a hitmaker on that level. he's come close, but no more so than a number of other artists over the past decade. not even sure i buy that he's been a culture shaper on a similar level. i see him more as a very clear and available mirror.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
xp no not completely but there is something abt the proceedings here that scream big-ass rock album to me
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, I think with this album there is definitely "something about the proceedings here that scream big-ass rock album," and I think that's partially why the album's received so much praise, for better or worse.
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean bubba sparxx was a much better bubba sparxx idg why he needed that persona -- even from a marketing standpoint it feels redundent
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
doh rong thread
haha i was having a lot of trouble parsing that
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
and this isn't gonna sell that much more than nicki's album apparently, & not even half as much as taylor swift― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:21 PM (7 minutes ago)
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:21 PM (7 minutes ago)
I thought he'd do at least as well as Taylor! Yikes!
― markers, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
he is a pop star, but what seems to make him relevant is that he manages to bridge the gap between the last decade or so of "reality" stars who generate nothing more than they own brand identities and our received ideas of what pop stardom is supposed to be ("important" in the dylan/mj sense).
and yes, this is definitely an aor-style "big rock album," just like the love below was. probably why i like them both so much. tusk!
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
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If you talk to a rock critic, they'll always say they like The Love Below more; rap critics will say they like Speakerboxxx more. I think that speaks volumes.
(And of course I'm generalizing here.)
― altered boners (rennavate), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link
oh for the love of god don't mention 'the love below'
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Flying Lotusflyinglotus Flying Lotuskanye is so good at being just good enough.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link
you could maybe argue that the rush to embrace this album represents a retreat to a kind of aesthetic morality (important! visionary! risky! real! progressive!) in response to a pop culture that's become a bit too satisfied with pop artifice and superficiality. hence n's fascination with the grime beneath the polish.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link