critical attn, sure, but critical accolades?
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:19 AM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lames like lame stuff? ppl be loving celebrity culture? anyone vaguely art-y gets artiste plaudits. not rlly surprising! esp when he's managed to deliver a record w a context of 'art' that papers over any 'flaws' (& encourages/embraces them) in the name of said art
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
gbx, this album is neither as good as the rhapsodic reviews or as bad as the pans; it's basically an expectation-satisfying Kanye album with a couple of amazing tracks and a couple of really, really terrible ones and most of the material on it will earworm you to death
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Sure, but 808s IS a better album than this. IMO.
this, we agree on
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
i think this is way better than 808s & i dont even think this is that good!
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:23 AM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
generally agree with this except I think most of the tracks are at least good and the worst tracks are at the end so it's easy to avoid them
also 808s was pretty boring
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
might have to poll 808s vs the xx...
the material on it will earworm you to death
Runaway has been doing this to me today FUCK U KANYE
― Noel 1 Kanye 10.0 (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I'd put both 808s and Late Registration over this; it's about on par with Graduation for me
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
lames like lame stuff? ppl be loving celebrity culture? anyone vaguely art-y gets artiste plaudits. not rlly surprising! esp when he's managed to deliver a record w a context of 'art' that papers over any 'flaws' (& encourages/embraces them) in the name of said art― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:21 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:21 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
haha i dont know why, but for some reason this post makes me think that really everyone was sorta on the same page for the last little bit here.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link
if pfork hadnt given this a 10 im not so sure ppl would be remembering 808s so fondly
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
if i didn't strongly dislike this album i wouldn't have something to compare 808s favorably to
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
if pfork hadnt given this a 10 im not so sure ppl would be remembering the phantom menace so fondly
― Noel 1 Kanye 10.0 (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously though, this is me being a big music nerd but the whole "Hell of a Life" polyrhythm 2 against 3 against whatever tuple that arpeggio sample is in is making me freak the fuck out
which "ppl" are you talking about here, because I have been a massive booster of 808s since its release
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link
also I think people are really misusing the terms "minimalist" and "maximalist"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i was just trying to fit in
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm a maximalist, think his gawker posts are pretty good
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
max i'ma list
― Noel 1 Kanye 10.0 (blueski), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:29 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
not u then...but the attitude towards this record was far more favorable on ilx until that review dropped
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, al wasnt gonna like it either way
dont get me wrong
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
ok i just STOLE this
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link
okay the Chris Rock skit works a lot better the second time around because I know how long it is
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link
also "Lost in the World" could be called many things but I don't get how it's boring
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link
"minimalist" means something whereas I'm not sure that "maximalist" does, really
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link
yes it is a fake word but imo useful shorthand for the lack of space in the production of this album
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.yourdictionary.com/maximalist
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
http://www.livius.org/th/theory/theory-maximalists.html
lol ok well spellcheck doesn't like it
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:37 (thirteen years ago) link
okay so for the record:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximalismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimalism
it's not really about how many instruments are playing at a particular time; it's about song structure and repetition, which points some of the denser tracks here to actually being more minimalist in composition
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link
embraces heterogeneity and allows for complex systems of juxtapositions and collisions, in which all outside influences are viewed as potential raw material
undecided if this applies or not
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link
like, it sort of does, but then the (normal for hip-hop) usage pattern is very minimalist
basically the whole maximalist/minimalist thing is a red herring, is my ultimate point
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link
agreed--can we just use "really loud overstuffed production with no space"
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
who exemplifies middlemalism & which singers utilize middlemelisma to greatest effect
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:45 (thirteen years ago) link
btw are we sure we mean production & not loudness-wars-related mastering stuff? I'm not, there's like 3 mastering dudes working who don't have their heads all the way up their asses AFAIK
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
overusing and misusing "minimalism" is kind of one of the recurring themes of the entire history of ILM
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link
entire history of western metaphysics imo
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link
or maybe only with the rise of 'criticism'/early romantics
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
btw are we sure we mean production & not loudness-wars-related mastering stuff?
i'm sure it's mastered to be too loud but i also think the arrangements and mixing are too much, all the time
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
power and all the lights are the worst offenders--both these songs are pretty much a mess
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
"Power" is a mess??????
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
was running on the assumption that maximalism = too much all the time
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
xp: like, it's basically "Jesus Walks Pt 2", I don't get it unless you dislike both of those songs
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:54 (thirteen years ago) link
the engineering is one of the things i actually like about this. dont hear much loudness wars-esque distortion at all? id have to listen again tho
'monster' beat has great use of space/tension imo
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
"monster" is really hittin' me hard right now, maybe my favorite thing here overall — btw kanye why the hell are you mixing goose and malibu? not sure what that's supposed to achieve
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link
(other than letting you "call it 'mali-BOOYAH!")
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm already exhausted by this album and i haven't even heard it yet
― there was usic in the cafes at night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
well one of the probs with being a bad copy of jesus walks (it actually reminds me more of crack music actually) is that jesus walks already exists
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link
#kanyefatigue trending hard on twitter
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I know, I had the same reaction but then I remembered I was thinking of the Amy Grant song "The Power," from her 1994 album House of Love, as I assume you also were
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link
what format are you listening in
live
― max, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link