re: wishing he'd stop talking about himself; granted, I've never heard "College Dropout" in its entirety. The singles were by and large about him though, and pretty much every song he's done since has either been about him or narrated from his perspective.
xxp: um, I really don't think that is an accurate take on how a good number of mainstream hip-hop artists view the Grammys, which is essentially the height of establishment success.
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
um... I am going to get a ton of shit for this, but Lex, you honestly do not have the disposition to even give shit like this chance, so nothing you say about it is either surprising or even interesting
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
One of the perils of superstardom is that, as you become more isolated, your most interesting subject becomes yourself.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
granted, I've never heard "College Dropout" in its entirety.
think you should stop what you're doing and do this
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, maybe I should but I remember at the time thinking "All Falls Down" was really good, liking "Jesus Walks" for a hot minute before I listened to the incredibly wretched rhymes, and always loathing "Through The Wire" with a passion hotter than a thousand suns, so unless those songs are at odds with the rest of the album or time has mellowed me more than I think it has, I expect it's going to be a dissatisfying listen
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
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obviously it's a 'big deal' but i don't think other rappers lose sleep over it the way Kanye does. i think they're probably way more concerned with their first week album sales or their single flopping or what the gossip sites are saying about them (which Kanye also obsesses over, because that's who he is).
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
oh gotcha, yeah I agree with that because Kanye is a crazy egomaniac
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Only Through The Wire and Touch The Sky are really about *Kanye* singles on the first two records? and maybe even not Touch The Sky.
Jesus Walks duh. All Falls Down is kinda about him but more about materialism in general. The New Workout Plan is lol about going to the gym. Diamonds is about Blood Diamonds and ok his place in that. Gold Digger is another duh. And then there was an obvious disconnect between that and Graduation imo.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I pretty much knew lex was going to hate this three months ago.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Through the Wire is terrific! Dude is literally rapping through the wire keeping his jaw together about his crash.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Bet it still doesn't top Pitchfork's year end list (Deerhunter lock, surely? Or mebbe JoNu).Or ILMs for that matter. Actually think it might end up - shocker horror - not doing very well on the ILM one. Has any actual human being said this is the album of the year? Will Dombal even put this no1 on his list? Why do I care when I should be working?
Or ILMs for that matter. Actually think it might end up - shocker horror - not doing very well on the ILM one. Has any actual human being said this is the album of the year? Will Dombal even put this no1 on his list? Why do I care when I should be working?
i'm calling it now: this album will top pfork's list, as well as p&j, and will place in ILM's top three -- tempted to say it'll win ILM as well b/c i can't honestly think of something that ppl will vote for on a broader scale
― in a merzbow world, how is kanye ambitious?? (ilxor), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link
dan it's a really diverse album full of cool stuff--give it a front to back listen sometime
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
Having trouble believing this could be worse than the Deerhunter record.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
will win the nobel prizes for peace and mathematics
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
deerhunter album will only win a caldecott medal
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god I forgot about "Slow Jamz", which I also hated
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
ok you're beyond help
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"Gold Digger" basically came completely out of left field for me because I had always assumed that lyrically Kanye was going to always piss me off by being incredibly, mind-alteringly stupid in how he used the English language, so it was a real shock to hear a song where I didn't want to send him back to a remedial English class.
He's backslid somewhat on this album; I found a lot of the time I was more enjoying the sound of his voice than what he was actually saying, and some of the things he said that I thought actually displayed some semblance of wit/thought are things people are holding up as the worst possible things anyone has ever said on a hip-hop record ("swallowship" being the flagship exapmle).
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Perhaps partially, but it was really hard to read that intention in "Blame Game". But even if that is his intention, I'm still uncomfortable with it. Imho, there is no okay way to talk about choking a woman.― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:59 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark
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― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
shouldn't have smoked a bowl halfway thru that post
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
I've only listened to this once and I really haven't spent as much time parsing it, so I'm not going to say your wrong - it just made me uncomfortable, that was my whole point. I'm not knocking the album for it, that particular song has many many other problems (lol Chris Rock) keeping it from being one of my favorites. But I do respect that the ambiguity he presents, and that you allude to, is part of what is making this whole album so interesting.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
(Annoying myself with my your/you're misuse, really shouldn't be trying to do too many things at once right now)
Basically I'm trying to say that you are probably correct wrt your reading snowy, I was just saying that in any context the woman slapping and choking makes me uncomfotable.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I gotcha, it's coo(kanye west for "most self-consciously offensive" thread 2k11?)
((and as I type that: "this week's a bad massage / I need a happy ending", lol))
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
The question is: how many of you are playing this during Thanksgiving dinner?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i think this album looks ambitious because all the songs are long and there are lots of extended instrumental bits, but you could also use the word unedited
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 8:18 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
um its only 'unedited' in the sense that 'you would edit it differently' -- he is quite clearly a perfectionist & the sound of this record is v clearly labored over & based on the unfinished versions that leaked early on, 'unedited' isnt the word id use. he wants things to have this largesse. (i disagree w/ this being a good tactic for listenability personally, but saying its 'unedited' is misleading)
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
what is w/ ppl hating on the chris rock part -- thats an album highlight
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
xxpost i'm actually serving it. mp3s stuffed in the turkey.
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
After watching The Last Waltz.
― Andy K, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I think cad means unedited in the sense that you could chop off at least a minute off of all of the songs on this album and literally nobody would notice or care
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
haha deej, I didn't want to publicly defend the chris rock skit but I'm glad you broached the topic
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway my new business idea is the VAJAZZLE REUPHOLSTERING SERVICE performed live in your living room
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
yes xp that is what i mean
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
"underedited"
i also think its pretty clear what 'ambitious' means Al. i dont know how this is a 'brick wall' to suggest that a rapper making a rock opera w/ long extended instrumentals etc. is pretty obviously ambitious! its not something rappers do! kanye =/= pete townshend! context / audience expectation matters! im with you that its not nearly as musically qualitatively GOOD as most records i heard this year -- im def not ranking it -- but the idea that bcuz you dont like it its not ambitious, or unique, or even interesting, seems way misleading
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
well more like dude needs an editor besides himself and he needs to listen to that editor
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 9:56 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah but i think KANYE would care. its not an issue of 'editing' when he wants to to have these extended song lengths & everything
ok, so what dan said then
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think this album would really benefit all that much from being less grandiose. im not even sure the songs are there
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
kanye kind of stopped operating in the sphere of 'what rappers do' back w/ graduation or even 808s didn't he
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
the Chris Rock part is a highlight because he has a sense of humor and flair for word choices that Kanye is generally short on. although it does go on too long and the speak-n-spell "yeezy taught me" voice makes it creepy.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
otm – Kanye shoulda just let him have the entire song.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.theluxuryspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/18.JPG
"kanye reupholstered my pussy"
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
and trimmed it by four minutes.
xpost
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 10:58 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Kanye's whole career has been "it's not something rappers do!". so that's supposed to be as exciting after 6 years as it was the first time? are we supposed to be shocked and amazed everytime he does something other rappers don't do for the next 30 years or something?
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
lol well some people certainly will be
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
there were a lot of things on the final College Dropout that made me go "wow, he's going all out with this, I didn't really expect all this from the mixtapes", and a lot of things on Late Reg that made me go "wow, he's widening even the scope of Dropout." this just makes me go "this is like Late Registration but with influences and subject matter i'm a lot less interested in."
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"Runaway" and "Blame Game" would definitely benefit
like, the Chris Rock skit would make more sense were it its own track rather than cemented to the end of "Blame Game" (and it's not like he's averse to breaking things out into their own tracks, like the "All of the Lights" interlude and the main song, which I actually think would have worked decently as one amalgamated track)
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
oh boy he is kind of terrible on "All of the Lights" though
(sorry, listening to it again now)
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
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― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:01 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link