Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

i like nicki's "monster" verse cuz it's really well written, and tho i have some issues w/ her being in robin williams mode in that song, it generally doesn't bother me anymore -- but like lex w/ kanye, i think that when nicki's lyrics are bad AND she's in robin williams mode (i.e. "lil freak") it's all types of cringeworthy -- the only verse where i think robin williams mode actually amplifies a verse is "bottoms up"

if anyone can pull off "my music is so awesome that it makes up for my lyrics" it's def kanye tho

j0rdan c'mon it's not just kanye, it's fucking everyone!

i mean

metacritic top albums of 2010:
http://www.metacritic.com/browse/albums/score/metascore/year?sort=desc

show me the non-reissue albums on this list w/ great (not just passable -- GREAT) lyrics

janelle? ...maybe occasionally?
big boi at times but there's plenty of cringe-worthy stuff there too

i mean really

the difference is kanye puts his lyrics at center stage, even ahead of the production

well i'm not talking about GREAT lyrics -- clearly tons of artists make great albums w/o great lyrics -- with kanye i'm saying that he can make great music (pretty much strictly on his own albums -- not even good friday) when the lyrics are actively bad -- that's pretty unique

the difference is kanye puts his lyrics at center stage, even ahead of the production

― ＿|￣|○|￣|○|￣|○ (dayo), Monday, November 22, 2010 8:04 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i don't agree w/ this

yeah couldn't disagree more

show me the non-reissue albums on this list w/ great (not just passable -- GREAT) lyrics

on that list? bruce springsteen; deerhunter; kanye; lcd soundsystem; grinderman; titus andronicus; the books (sort of lyrics); others.

springsteen = reissue
deerhunter, no
kanye, occasionally great, much more often cringe-worthy
lcd, nah, not on the new album at least
grinderman 2 has some really great one-liners i'll admit
titus, no idea
books, no idea

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot has classic lyrics btw

100 METASCORE on 18 reviews?

0_0

somehow this turned into the deerhunter thread

got through 4 tracks tonite; i am not feeling this

eventually they all turn into deerhunter threads.

deerhunter, no
lcd, nah, not on the new album at least

couldn't disagree more. and, setting aside objective analysis, i love kanye west's lyrics; fascinating stew of self-love and self-loathing.

if you average out the scores of those 18 reviews it's actually 93.66667 but obv. metacritic weights some publications heavier than others? who knows

xp to dan esq.

Weird argument. I love Contra, Against Me, T-Swift, Curren$y, Big Boi, Merle Haggard, LCD Soundsystem, etc for their music first, but I love the lyrical goodies not too far beneath the surface.

yeah METACRITIC has a mysterious "patented" system

and, setting aside objective analysis

wtf is this even supposed to mean???

http://api.ning.com/files/8npOYJPzNyVRh3x42rGnOmRXcAIQYOfoe1QPAQd8AI*ibY1UCmOQYdamQNS3z8aHLdspnvTSwkP9L6m-VEYbgjQd9KgCoCrs/canworms.jpg

i mean i like his lyrics.

eh, nice can-o-worms there.

yeah i know you like 'em (i often do too!) but "objective"....... such a ridic word re: music

there is objective truth, and that is that.

guys let's just ignore ilxor's "i haven't heard the album we're talking about and i have strong opinions about lyrics but when i like stuff i don't even know what the words are" trolling

lol yes

hearing good things about this

guys let's just ignore ilxor's "i haven't heard the album we're talking about and i have strong opinions about lyrics but when i like stuff i don't even know what the words are" trolling

okay to clarify, just b/c i haven't heard the album proper doesnt mean i havent heard like 2/3 of the tracks by now i mean c'mon

it's best to form your opinion first, anyway.

that way, the facts may change, but your opinion never will.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/2hzr39l.gif

ha! i have no idea what that .gif means, but i love it.

god, kevin otm

will post here again once i've heard MY BEAUTIFUL DARK TWISTED FANTASY so as to "gain" "credibility"

i think that was the most ordeal type shit ever encountered in course of purchasing one kanye west CD ever. sounds way better now though.

drop off after "monster" is dispiriting. buoyed, though, by the holiday-themed packaging. it's a christmas record!

Holiday themed packaging? Hmm

I'm with j0rdan and Dan on this. I like this WAY more than I expected to, especially given that Kanye seems to be continuing along the trajectory that started to grate c. Graduation - bigger, less accessible, more 'introspective' at the expense of genuine insight, but the album is so generous sonically and so...Kanye...that I like it despite myself.

Like...given that this is 2010 Kanye, this is far more than I ever had reason to expect, and is actually v. good. Still my least favourite Kanye album besides Graduation. Probably on par with 808s, but still contending for top 10 spots with /\/\/\Y/\ et al.

Kind of wish a CuDi-less version of Christian Dior Denim Flow had ended up on here. Or maybe The Joy. G.O.O.D. Fridays were hit and miss, but a handful of them were damn good.

the trajectory that started to grate c. Graduation - bigger, less accessible

I don't see how Graduation could be seen as "less accessible", that is the the one album that all of my non-"huge Kanye fan" friends play the most.

been thinking about deej's point lately

just curious -- and again this is coming from someone who isnt really coming back to this record all that much -- what record that pfork reviews SHOULD get a 10.0 if not kanye's art-prog-rap? what record makes more sense as a 10.0? i kinda feel like -- & again, i have little invested in the perception of the site, but from an editorial perspective -- can you think of a better record to represent pfork's aesthetic outlook? anyone who says big boi gets a chop & a muff

― smangs of new york (deej), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:09 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah, it def feels right to say in 2010 that you can't give a 10.0 to ANY album nowadays, but I'm still working on why that's the case and what's changed about music crit in the 00s

I mean, give a 10.0 to ANY album based on musical merit alone.

What's "you" -- a magazine? a critic? I'd argue a magazine has more reason to award a 10.0 than a critic.

magazine, publications, 'the system'

the government

the illuminati

killuminati

i still don't see how "art-prog-rap" represents pfork's 'aesthetic outlook'

i think just selling it as "an ambitious & generous album [note: i'm purposefully leaving out negatives] by our generation's transcendent pop star" makes more sense

J0rdan, you're on T-shirt detail.

weirds me out than anyone would be so petrified about handing out a perfect score, at least once in a while.

I think p4k is trying more to turn themselves into the rolling stone of the 00s

i think just selling it as "an ambitious & generous album [note: i'm purposefully leaving out negatives] by our generation's transcendent pop star" makes more sense

yeah, but that reads more like 4/5 copy

i think mags in general, and especially Pitchfork/Complex/Fader/Rolling Stone, would just rather join hands and chant "WE ARE WE ARE, THE KANYE GENERATION" than try for a measured, nuanced critique of the album

yeah that's the thing, albums with this kind of balance of ambition/accomplishment come out all the time, and they often get Chinese Democracy pans or "could've been great if it was shorter and less indulgent" 4/5 reviews