Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

i feel like i'm arguing w/ dr. jekyll here

liveblog?

ha I do have to do SOME work today dude

but regardless of yr opinion on xx's quality, doesnt it feel like some pretty underwhelming ambitions to get a 10.0?

... no? Because if I felt that way, I wouldn't have agreed with J0rdan that I would have given it a 10.0?

"I love this."
"Oh come on, you don't really."
"... oh my god YOU ARE RIGHT"

as i said earlier in some thread, i think you could def make a reasonable argument for this album to be "given" a 10, but 'ambition!' is a pretty slippery slope

eh. i just think its a weird record to single out for that sort of thing. the vibe it goes for has been done before, its just done under an indie tent so it gets more attention for it. also im kind of shocked that DP would rep for any record w/ singing as bad as that dude's

chick is a good singer, tho

i really hate the affectedness of his voice. hes fakin it like Plies

im kind of shocked that DP would rep for any record w/ singing as bad as that dude's

thought u meant kanye

i actually miss when this thread was about kanye

those halcyon days of 16 minutes ago

the XX album is dope!, but "but regardless of yr opinion on xx's quality, doesnt it feel like some pretty underwhelming ambitions to get a 10.0?" is otm

nah, it's good enough to get by on having a clear vision & executing it flawlessly. lofty ambition can produce amazing results, but isn't required for greatness. sometimes the best art is quite modest.

agreed but this is a stupid argument & i already feel guilty for having brought it up

wrt this (kanye west) album getting a perfect rating but being wrought with flaws and stupid shit, i think this is a case where an album is so creatively excessive that most of its missteps can be reconciled in the rush of the process of listening to something so wild. like its true the jay z verse is awful, but stressing out about it is like fretting about takeoff engines being dropped off a spacecraft when it's being launched into space. i can get that someone not sold on the album's big moments & excessive flourishes wouldn't think it was perfect, but i don't think the bad parts ppl have problems with (many of which i don't mind at all) drag it down so much as fit the absurdity & ambition of the whole thing that is part of its charm

If only the Young Marble Giants album had been a symphonic prog record.

nah, it's good enough to get by on having a clear vision & executing it flawlessly. lofty ambition can produce amazing results, but isn't required for greatness. sometimes the best art is quite modest.

― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, November 22, 2010 2:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

of course but otoh 'skin' off the new sade >>> anything on the xx record
so there

* jay z verses are awful

what the xx did is way harder than it appears to be

oh?

yes, that kind of austerity and sense of space can fall down flat very easily but anyway let's have the same arguments from the xx thread all over again on this one

i'm starting to feel like hitler's mom

fuck outta here w this derail

jordan's feeling up hitler's mom

idk i think the dude who says "xx released a perfect album -- gas chamber w everything else" is more the hitler than the mother

srry that joke was in poor taste

mods can edit

it was in poor taste but it was still funny

btw what is this first track doing

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okay this song ("Dark Fantasy") is an ongoing lol

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wait did this just stop and then restart

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love the commentary on this one, especially confounds me when people single out the opening track as especially good. i heard it was supposedly another low key "Heard Em Say"/"Good Morning" type opener and was like wtf is this Polyphonic Spree shit?

it was in poor taste but it was still funny

kanye in a nutshell ^^

yeah that is not really putting the album out there as something that should be taken seriously

fortunately it gets much better on subsequent tracks but that first one is really some nonsense that maybe I will grow to cherish but currently am pointing at and laughing heartily

i also enjoyed your confusion about the 2nd track sounding so tinny and incomplete that you thought something was wrong with your stereo

ha, that has been my experience of listening to things through these headphones in the past but... yeah

kanye review FILED.

i'm not letting people get away with calling this good-but-flawed, this is a HORRIBLE album that i hated more with each listen

lex is gonna citizen's arrest ryan dombal

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/howardbealegj5-1.jpg

Ha. That's how I feel most of the time.

When and where is it appearing, lex?

grau, fri

(love that nicki got the lead rvw over kanye, too)

Ace. Look forward to it.

btw dorian, while you're here, and assuming that this mess of an album leaves you wanting decent hip-hop, i highly recommend yelawolf's debut, trunk muzik 0-60

(which was also released this month)

Will do. Not heard it yet.

See Lex, I liked the album but wasn't blind to its many faults. I gave it 3.5, and that's being generous.

thing is, it doesn't have all that many strengths to balance out the many (many many) faults - the nicki verse obviously, and like "hell of a life" is the only song i actively enjoy (no coincidence that that's where kanye talks about SOMEONE ELSE for once), and i like the idea of "runaway"s douchebags/assholes chorus if not the whiny, weak execution (and certainly not the NINE STUPID MINUTES it extends to here). a three-minute "runaway" performed as a kanye west/taylor swift duet might have been a great pop song though!

i like the idea of "runaway"s douchebags/assholes chorus if not the whiny, weak execution

wow, that's interesting. i can't imagine characterizing the chorus as "weak execution." if anything, it sounds to me like a full-throated, robust execution, like he's throwing daggers with the lyrics.

kanye's singing voice is pretty much the defn of "weak execution", it's like his horrible new whiny rapping but even more nasal and insufferable

i like the song but his singing is terrible obv

With all my reservations, I find it hard to fuck with Power and Lost in the World - not coincidentally, two of the only tracks under 5 minutes long.

idk. his singing here isn't good, but it's a whole lot better than what i remember of his voice from the last album. and it's not his voice -- but rather his inflections, the way he bites down at the end of words, and the agression behind his voice -- that make his delivery compelling to me. his voice sucks.

the inflections RUIN this album - as someone said way upthread, it's the way he leans into all his awful laboured jokes and puns that really highlights how bad his lyrics are.