now off to the Pretty Hate Machine re-release
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i would've love to have seen a 10 given to the xx album since it's kind of a perfect album & they came in w/ such a fully formed sound & aesthetic -- but i understand being wary of saddling a debut indie album w/ a 10.0
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:08 (11 minutes ago)
uerugh i like some joints ok but the indie-goth sade jr. vibe =/= 10.0 worthy at all
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
a lot of those songs are way underwritten too & just slide by on ~pleasant vibes~
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well no, that song is really about the use of space in the musical arrangements
actually "VCR" might have kept me from giving it a 10.0; that's the only song on there that I think is the flawed/boring mess that detractors of the album hear all the way through it
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
grrrrrr for "song" I meant "album"
The songs are not underwritten at all, not if you start breaking them down both harmonically and looking at the arrangements, with the sole exception of "VCR" which I think has some tempo issues and could have used more attention paid to the rhythm section
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
actually i think the worse pun is jay-z saying "i'm not only fly/ i'm not playin" and trying as hard as humanly possible to make "playin" sound like "plane"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
'shelter' is p much the only song that really has some songwriting that sticks w/ me
by 'underwritten' i mean 'conceived to be underwhelming' not, like, 'not enough chord changes'
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think anything on that album was "conceived to be underwhelming"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
also yeah I would have heartily cosigned a 10.0 for The XX
co-cosign ^^
* I still like MAYA a lot, it's just that there are at least 10 other albums I've heard this year that are better.
likewise -- MAYA will prob. be on my 'honorable mentions' list or w/e
liveblog?
― ilxor, Monday, 22 November 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, that is a seriously prejudicial read of what's happening on that album; the whole thing is intentionally mellow and open, also in many spots low-key, but "intentionally underwhelming" is you putting words into their mouths
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
but regardless of yr opinion on xx's quality, doesnt it feel like some pretty underwhelming ambitions to get a 10.0? its an album synthesizing some influences that are becoming more hip, i.e. R&B, 2step, Sade, but im not really sure that is enough to stand out as some kind of meaningful historically significant record. which, whatever its flaws the kanye feels like
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like i'm arguing w/ dr. jekyll here
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
ha I do have to do SOME work today dude
but regardless of yr opinion on xx's quality, doesnt it feel like some pretty underwhelming ambitions to get a 10.0?
... no? Because if I felt that way, I wouldn't have agreed with J0rdan that I would have given it a 10.0?
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
"I love this.""Oh come on, you don't really.""... oh my god YOU ARE RIGHT"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
as i said earlier in some thread, i think you could def make a reasonable argument for this album to be "given" a 10, but 'ambition!' is a pretty slippery slope
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
eh. i just think its a weird record to single out for that sort of thing. the vibe it goes for has been done before, its just done under an indie tent so it gets more attention for it. also im kind of shocked that DP would rep for any record w/ singing as bad as that dude's
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
chick is a good singer, tho
i really hate the affectedness of his voice. hes fakin it like Plies
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link
im kind of shocked that DP would rep for any record w/ singing as bad as that dude's
thought u meant kanye
― Noel 1 Kanye 10.0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i actually miss when this thread was about kanye
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
those halcyon days of 16 minutes ago
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
the XX album is dope!, but "but regardless of yr opinion on xx's quality, doesnt it feel like some pretty underwhelming ambitions to get a 10.0?" is otm
― markers, Monday, 22 November 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
nah, it's good enough to get by on having a clear vision & executing it flawlessly. lofty ambition can produce amazing results, but isn't required for greatness. sometimes the best art is quite modest.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
agreed but this is a stupid argument & i already feel guilty for having brought it up
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
wrt this (kanye west) album getting a perfect rating but being wrought with flaws and stupid shit, i think this is a case where an album is so creatively excessive that most of its missteps can be reconciled in the rush of the process of listening to something so wild. like its true the jay z verse is awful, but stressing out about it is like fretting about takeoff engines being dropped off a spacecraft when it's being launched into space. i can get that someone not sold on the album's big moments & excessive flourishes wouldn't think it was perfect, but i don't think the bad parts ppl have problems with (many of which i don't mind at all) drag it down so much as fit the absurdity & ambition of the whole thing that is part of its charm
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 22 November 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
If only the Young Marble Giants album had been a symphonic prog record.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 November 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, November 22, 2010 2:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
of course but otoh 'skin' off the new sade >>> anything on the xx recordso there
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
* jay z verses are awful
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 22 November 2010 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link
what the xx did is way harder than it appears to be
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
oh?
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, that kind of austerity and sense of space can fall down flat very easily but anyway let's have the same arguments from the xx thread all over again on this one
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm starting to feel like hitler's mom
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck outta here w this derail
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 22 November 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
jordan's feeling up hitler's mom
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
idk i think the dude who says "xx released a perfect album -- gas chamber w everything else" is more the hitler than the mother
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
srry that joke was in poor taste
mods can edit
it was in poor taste but it was still funny
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
btw what is this first track doing
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 2:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
okay this song ("Dark Fantasy") is an ongoing lol
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 2:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wait did this just stop and then restart
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 2:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
love the commentary on this one, especially confounds me when people single out the opening track as especially good. i heard it was supposedly another low key "Heard Em Say"/"Good Morning" type opener and was like wtf is this Polyphonic Spree shit?
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
kanye in a nutshell ^^
― ilxor, Monday, 22 November 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that is not really putting the album out there as something that should be taken seriously
fortunately it gets much better on subsequent tracks but that first one is really some nonsense that maybe I will grow to cherish but currently am pointing at and laughing heartily
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i also enjoyed your confusion about the 2nd track sounding so tinny and incomplete that you thought something was wrong with your stereo
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, that has been my experience of listening to things through these headphones in the past but... yeah
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
kanye review FILED.
i'm not letting people get away with calling this good-but-flawed, this is a HORRIBLE album that i hated more with each listen
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 22 November 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
lex is gonna citizen's arrest ryan dombal
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/howardbealegj5-1.jpg
― tween-justin-bieber-riot-of-09-pandemonium-arrests-terror+tweeting (Edward III), Monday, 22 November 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha. That's how I feel most of the time.
When and where is it appearing, lex?
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 22 November 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
grau, fri
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 22 November 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
(love that nicki got the lead rvw over kanye, too)
Ace. Look forward to it.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 22 November 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link