Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

okay dude, where is your editor

no one wants to hear Chris Rock at this point

although lol at "Cirque du Soleil pussy" and "I ain't never seen this part of Pussytown before"

also hindsight is 20/20 but maybe when ppl gave you a nickname that sounded like "Yeasty" you should have said "hold up, no"

okay was not really expecting "Lost in the World" to do that

I guess he got enough feedback about "Pinocchio Story" that he was not going to do that again

i would much rather here a kanye + rick ross album than a kanye + jay-z album

lost in the world reminds me of todd rundgren for some reason

this is exactly how he needed to end this album IMO

which pun do you guys think is worse

obamanation

or

swallowship

obama definitely. a decent punchline rapper could've sold the swallowship line by not shouting it like the most clever thing in the world and just moving onto the next joke.

so in summation:

This is a very good album. Kanye gets in his own way sometimes, but when he doesn't this is blazing brilliance. Unfortunately, the spots where Kanye's ego isn't massively fun to listen to are a massive bummer to listen to.

I would not have given this album a 10.0 but this will likely be on my top 10 list of the year. If you'd told me in January that Kanye would unambiguously be in my top 5 and MIA wouldn't even be under consideration*, I would have called you crazy.

xp: in the context of the song, I don't think anything special was made out of "swallowship"

* I still like MAYA a lot, it's just that there are at least 10 other albums I've heard this year that are better.

Obamanation.

now off to the Pretty Hate Machine re-release

i would've love to have seen a 10 given to the xx album since it's kind of a perfect album & they came in w/ such a fully formed sound & aesthetic -- but i understand being wary of saddling a debut indie album w/ a 10.0

― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:08 (11 minutes ago)

uerugh i like some joints ok but the indie-goth sade jr. vibe =/= 10.0 worthy at all

a lot of those songs are way underwritten too & just slide by on ~pleasant vibes~

well no, that song is really about the use of space in the musical arrangements

actually "VCR" might have kept me from giving it a 10.0; that's the only song on there that I think is the flawed/boring mess that detractors of the album hear all the way through it

grrrrrr for "song" I meant "album"

The songs are not underwritten at all, not if you start breaking them down both harmonically and looking at the arrangements, with the sole exception of "VCR" which I think has some tempo issues and could have used more attention paid to the rhythm section

actually i think the worse pun is jay-z saying "i'm not only fly/ i'm not playin" and trying as hard as humanly possible to make "playin" sound like "plane"

'shelter' is p much the only song that really has some songwriting that sticks w/ me

by 'underwritten' i mean 'conceived to be underwhelming' not, like, 'not enough chord changes'

I don't think anything on that album was "conceived to be underwhelming"

also yeah I would have heartily cosigned a 10.0 for The XX

co-cosign ^^

* I still like MAYA a lot, it's just that there are at least 10 other albums I've heard this year that are better.

likewise -- MAYA will prob. be on my 'honorable mentions' list or w/e

now off to the Pretty Hate Machine re-release

liveblog?

deej, that is a seriously prejudicial read of what's happening on that album; the whole thing is intentionally mellow and open, also in many spots low-key, but "intentionally underwhelming" is you putting words into their mouths

but regardless of yr opinion on xx's quality, doesnt it feel like some pretty underwhelming ambitions to get a 10.0? its an album synthesizing some influences that are becoming more hip, i.e. R&B, 2step, Sade, but im not really sure that is enough to stand out as some kind of meaningful historically significant record. which, whatever its flaws the kanye feels like

i feel like i'm arguing w/ dr. jekyll here

liveblog?

ha I do have to do SOME work today dude

but regardless of yr opinion on xx's quality, doesnt it feel like some pretty underwhelming ambitions to get a 10.0?

... no? Because if I felt that way, I wouldn't have agreed with J0rdan that I would have given it a 10.0?

"I love this."
"Oh come on, you don't really."
"... oh my god YOU ARE RIGHT"

as i said earlier in some thread, i think you could def make a reasonable argument for this album to be "given" a 10, but 'ambition!' is a pretty slippery slope

eh. i just think its a weird record to single out for that sort of thing. the vibe it goes for has been done before, its just done under an indie tent so it gets more attention for it. also im kind of shocked that DP would rep for any record w/ singing as bad as that dude's

chick is a good singer, tho

i really hate the affectedness of his voice. hes fakin it like Plies

im kind of shocked that DP would rep for any record w/ singing as bad as that dude's

thought u meant kanye

i actually miss when this thread was about kanye

those halcyon days of 16 minutes ago

the XX album is dope!, but "but regardless of yr opinion on xx's quality, doesnt it feel like some pretty underwhelming ambitions to get a 10.0?" is otm

nah, it's good enough to get by on having a clear vision & executing it flawlessly. lofty ambition can produce amazing results, but isn't required for greatness. sometimes the best art is quite modest.

agreed but this is a stupid argument & i already feel guilty for having brought it up

wrt this (kanye west) album getting a perfect rating but being wrought with flaws and stupid shit, i think this is a case where an album is so creatively excessive that most of its missteps can be reconciled in the rush of the process of listening to something so wild. like its true the jay z verse is awful, but stressing out about it is like fretting about takeoff engines being dropped off a spacecraft when it's being launched into space. i can get that someone not sold on the album's big moments & excessive flourishes wouldn't think it was perfect, but i don't think the bad parts ppl have problems with (many of which i don't mind at all) drag it down so much as fit the absurdity & ambition of the whole thing that is part of its charm

If only the Young Marble Giants album had been a symphonic prog record.

nah, it's good enough to get by on having a clear vision & executing it flawlessly. lofty ambition can produce amazing results, but isn't required for greatness. sometimes the best art is quite modest.

― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Monday, November 22, 2010 2:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

of course but otoh 'skin' off the new sade >>> anything on the xx record
so there

* jay z verses are awful

what the xx did is way harder than it appears to be

oh?

yes, that kind of austerity and sense of space can fall down flat very easily but anyway let's have the same arguments from the xx thread all over again on this one

i'm starting to feel like hitler's mom

fuck outta here w this derail

jordan's feeling up hitler's mom

idk i think the dude who says "xx released a perfect album -- gas chamber w everything else" is more the hitler than the mother

srry that joke was in poor taste

mods can edit

it was in poor taste but it was still funny

btw what is this first track doing

― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 2:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

okay this song ("Dark Fantasy") is an ongoing lol

― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 2:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wait did this just stop and then restart

― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 2:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

love the commentary on this one, especially confounds me when people single out the opening track as especially good. i heard it was supposedly another low key "Heard Em Say"/"Good Morning" type opener and was like wtf is this Polyphonic Spree shit?