think i've listened to that rick ross verse more than the rest of the album combined
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 November 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
now I KNOW I do
this is basically the Kanye production aesthetic that is entertaining when you first hear it and then becomes the most aggravating thing on earth unless it happens to be "All Falls Down"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
lol more sad guitar
couldn't he spring for a theremin
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
FUCK there are 2 minutes left in this song
yeah pretty bad song but I do like "don't leave while you're hot, that's how mase screwed up!"
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link
okay Rick Ross sounds way way better on this
deeper voice against all that aggravating treble = more balanced overall sound
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
"Runaway" musically is also pretty dope until the autotune nonsense
the way it builds is just great
also lol for all time at Kanye sending girls pictures of his dick and then writing it in a song and then the pictures turning up on the internet
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
like for real, I think the chorus to this song is fucking fantastic
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i still love this album and the pitchfork score just reinforces how surreal and logic defying its appeal is
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 22 November 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
djp u are enjoying this record in all the right ways imo
― samosa gibreel, Monday, 22 November 2010 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link
like that highly reverbed hit that substitutes in for a snare hit on the second half of the chorus is a tiny detail but one that adds momentum to the beat and pulls it forward into awesome
of course things start getting incredibly self-indulgent around 3:30 but for some reason I'm not mad about it, maybe because the string chords that pull in shortly before 4:00 really fill out that sound
there's some really effective heart-on-sleeve warmth all through this beat in terms of the selection of that analogue bass synth and the tinny reverb on the Penderecki-esque piano bit
and yes, it should stop at 5:50, I do agree with that
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
actually this extended coda would have been okay without the autotune over it
as it stands it's just kind of like "dude I know you love this song and it's incredibly dope but now your just rubbing it raw"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
grr "you're"
okay I was a little disappointed that "Hell of a Life" wasn't full-on 6/8 but the 3-against-2 is actually kind of hot
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
ha, so it's like "how can I make this song more awesome to DJP after piling it full of polyrhythms.... oh I know, I'll put in an a capella break"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
why the hell don't I have any John Legend albums, is what I want to know right now
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
what makes this album fascinating/enjoyable to me is its imperfection
this is true -- my prob is that this is true for every single kanye album, & of course by proxy kanye himself -- and 'my dark twisted fantasy' is not his best/10.0 album
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link
i would've love to have seen a 10 given to the xx album since it's kind of a perfect album & they came in w/ such a fully formed sound & aesthetic -- but i understand being wary of saddling a debut indie album w/ a 10.0
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link
oh my fucking god
this fucking song
just got to the speaker-panning section
fucking yes
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link
also yeah I would have heartily cosigned a 10.0 for The XX
wait how are there 3.5 minutes left in this song
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Now you're approaching the boring part of the album.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean albums can really never be like special effects-driven movies where you really can feel or see or hear the budget in the final product in any meaningful way.
this really isn't true - admittedly you have to sort of be a geek or have spent a lot of time with super-audio-geeks, but giant-budget albums pretty much announce themselves from their opening moments as clearly as big blockbuster movies announce themselves before the opening credits are done rolling
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, November 22, 2010 2:07 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I was saying this in response to someone basically saying that Kanye is the only rapper in the world who has the money to make this album, like it's Avatar or a Pixar movie or something where it costs millions just to produce technology that's used in every single frame, so you're either missing the point of what I was saying or taking it in some complete other direction. do you really thing MBDTF or really any album works on the same level? like, ooh, Elton John and a choir and some nice drum machine programming, that definitely cost millions.
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
okay dude, where is your editor
no one wants to hear Chris Rock at this point
although lol at "Cirque du Soleil pussy" and "I ain't never seen this part of Pussytown before"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
also hindsight is 20/20 but maybe when ppl gave you a nickname that sounded like "Yeasty" you should have said "hold up, no"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
okay was not really expecting "Lost in the World" to do that
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess he got enough feedback about "Pinocchio Story" that he was not going to do that again
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i would much rather here a kanye + rick ross album than a kanye + jay-z album
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link
lost in the world reminds me of todd rundgren for some reason
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 November 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
this is exactly how he needed to end this album IMO
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
which pun do you guys think is worse
obamanation
or
swallowship
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link
obama definitely. a decent punchline rapper could've sold the swallowship line by not shouting it like the most clever thing in the world and just moving onto the next joke.
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
so in summation:
This is a very good album. Kanye gets in his own way sometimes, but when he doesn't this is blazing brilliance. Unfortunately, the spots where Kanye's ego isn't massively fun to listen to are a massive bummer to listen to.
I would not have given this album a 10.0 but this will likely be on my top 10 list of the year. If you'd told me in January that Kanye would unambiguously be in my top 5 and MIA wouldn't even be under consideration*, I would have called you crazy.
xp: in the context of the song, I don't think anything special was made out of "swallowship"
* I still like MAYA a lot, it's just that there are at least 10 other albums I've heard this year that are better.
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Obamanation.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
now off to the Pretty Hate Machine re-release
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:08 (11 minutes ago)
uerugh i like some joints ok but the indie-goth sade jr. vibe =/= 10.0 worthy at all
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
a lot of those songs are way underwritten too & just slide by on ~pleasant vibes~
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well no, that song is really about the use of space in the musical arrangements
actually "VCR" might have kept me from giving it a 10.0; that's the only song on there that I think is the flawed/boring mess that detractors of the album hear all the way through it
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
grrrrrr for "song" I meant "album"
The songs are not underwritten at all, not if you start breaking them down both harmonically and looking at the arrangements, with the sole exception of "VCR" which I think has some tempo issues and could have used more attention paid to the rhythm section
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
actually i think the worse pun is jay-z saying "i'm not only fly/ i'm not playin" and trying as hard as humanly possible to make "playin" sound like "plane"
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
'shelter' is p much the only song that really has some songwriting that sticks w/ me
by 'underwritten' i mean 'conceived to be underwhelming' not, like, 'not enough chord changes'
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think anything on that album was "conceived to be underwhelming"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link
co-cosign ^^
likewise -- MAYA will prob. be on my 'honorable mentions' list or w/e
liveblog?
― ilxor, Monday, 22 November 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, that is a seriously prejudicial read of what's happening on that album; the whole thing is intentionally mellow and open, also in many spots low-key, but "intentionally underwhelming" is you putting words into their mouths
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
but regardless of yr opinion on xx's quality, doesnt it feel like some pretty underwhelming ambitions to get a 10.0? its an album synthesizing some influences that are becoming more hip, i.e. R&B, 2step, Sade, but im not really sure that is enough to stand out as some kind of meaningful historically significant record. which, whatever its flaws the kanye feels like
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i feel like i'm arguing w/ dr. jekyll here
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
ha I do have to do SOME work today dude
but regardless of yr opinion on xx's quality, doesnt it feel like some pretty underwhelming ambitions to get a 10.0?
... no? Because if I felt that way, I wouldn't have agreed with J0rdan that I would have given it a 10.0?
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link
"I love this.""Oh come on, you don't really.""... oh my god YOU ARE RIGHT"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
as i said earlier in some thread, i think you could def make a reasonable argument for this album to be "given" a 10, but 'ambition!' is a pretty slippery slope
― J0rdan S., Monday, 22 November 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link
eh. i just think its a weird record to single out for that sort of thing. the vibe it goes for has been done before, its just done under an indie tent so it gets more attention for it. also im kind of shocked that DP would rep for any record w/ singing as bad as that dude's
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link