People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

*thinks again, gets in car, laughs at people at the bus stop*

I may read his book, and will probably agree with a lot of it. I just found it amusing that he lives in the middle of nowhere. Guess he isn't crazy about living in urban density himself. I wonder if he commutes to his job in NYC.

wikipedia:

Transportation

Route 202 runs east-west in the northern part of town, connecting the villages of Marbledale, New Preston, and Woodville. Route 109 runs east-west near the town's geographic center, connecting Washington Depot with New Milford and Morris. The main north-south highways are Route 47, Route 199, Route 45. There is no public transportation within the Town of Washington.

iatee can i just say, now that the hubub of this thread has died down, that you were a total right-on trollin' otm bro upthread. i loved what you gave itt

:) thx

Was talking with coworkers about how I never really go far outside my neighborhood + downtown outside of work anymore, because I don't have to. They said they really don't go far outside their general suburban areas. The difference being that the places they go are all chains and strip malls. There are some pretty cool local businesses, but you have to go around the giant parking lots and jump from... strip mall to strip mall.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/29/AR2010122904445.html

I sometimes think of things - crystal beings - things in the woods.

With fuel prices surging don't u think this trend will reverse?

I mean I'm dismayed by the news but not totally surprised.

in the longer-term yeah, I do think it will, but it's amazing how quickly the national recession-era decision making disappeared

We'll tell our kids of our belt tightening ways, how we trekked to Jennings ford and bought the escape instead of the expedition and how grandma cried that day but we made it

http://persquaremile.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/the-worlds-population-concentrated.png

sprawl owns

lol at the houston world sprawltropolis, prob would be a pretty shitty commute

Why did they keep using South Central for that? Pretty cool.

was reading something interesting on houston today:

http://austinzoning.typepad.com/austincontrarian/files/ssrnid8372441.pdf

also fwiw paris density can be misleading cause the political body 'paris' is a very tiny part of the agglomeration vs. nyc, where all 5 boroughs are included in the average. manhattan's denser than paris proper and nyc is denser than the paris + the petite couronne (the 3 very built up urban/suburban departments that surround it).

are you a town planner or in a related field iatee?

if you look at their entire urban areas, Paris is much more dense than NYC.

some of the boroughs at the edge of greater london contain open countryside, which skews the density somewhat, but inner london is probably less densely developed than other major cities

haha no I def considered it in college and I have some friends who are but the job market didn't seem worth it. tho I'd jump at any career opportunity in the field that didn't require going back to school. xp

http://i.imgur.com/b1mu2.jpg

also fwiw paris density can be misleading cause the political body 'paris' is a very tiny part of the agglomeration vs. nyc, where all 5 boroughs are included in the average. manhattan's denser than paris proper and nyc is denser than the paris + the petite couronne (the 3 very built up urban/suburban departments that surround it).

― iatee, Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:16 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if you look at their entire urban areas, Paris is much more dense than NYC.

― the journey you take with bob ross (askance johnson), Saturday, January 22, 2011 4:22 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah this^ metro paris is way denser than metro nyc - nyc city limits vs paris metro is not so meaningful a comparison - they are roughly the same size but that just points to the fact that new york is a much larger city than paris - ie dont quit the dayjob lol

it's not so meaningful a comparison because nyc city limits still don't really reflect its urban boundaries but it's still a stronger comparison than 'paris' vs 'nyc'.

'metro paris' means whatever you want it to mean, and apparently askance thinks it should mean ile de france but that's kinda ridic if you know anything about the geography of the area.

Dude, i don't know, I'm just going by numbers on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_by_population

ya maybe that's your problem

I mean if you want to include 4 states in your 'metro nyc' go for it, but at that point you're not really comparing things that are worth comparing, you're comparing open spaces in connecticut and picardy.

If you expect me to navigate these dense new metropoli, you'll have to pry my car from my cold dead hands.

yr just comparing the things that people who professionally compare these things compare pfft

i mean how could a city exist in more than one state at a time, ridiculous!

92, 93, 94 are the petite couronne - not a perfect measure, but a much more relevant one than including everything on this map.

http://schools-wikipedia.org/images/611/61164.png

whats the deal w. jersey city tho

and I'm not saying it doesn't make sense to include things outside of political nyc (makes more sense to include lots of jersey than staten island) xp

welp if you made a comparable map of iatees metropolitan new york (the one where citizens are responsable for their own snow removal) paris would still be denser

there are some cute guys in paris

this is sorta a pointless argument, my point was that the political body 'paris' is way less representative of the urban area than the political body 'new york city'.

if you want to compare the small political body in the center of the region, then hey, manhattan is much denser than paris. if you want to compare the 4 dense political bodies in the center of ile de france that are more comparable in size to nyc, then you'll find that 'nyc' is denser than the petite couronne. if you want to compare the extended sprawled out region which can include a bunch of empty land and philadelphia if you want, then I guess the empty land 25 miles from paris is denser.

i met this guy in paris once with the best smile

well, okay, you can compare the densities of urban cores, but I think it's helpful/interesting to also look at the densities of entire agglomerations

though I'm sure trying to define exactly what areas lies in an agglomeration is always going to be problematic

its not if youre iatee, just start w/yr conclusion say 'the petite couronne' a few times and work yr way backward

gee why would I use the name for the extended parisian metro area in an argument about the paris metro area, killer zing.

haha it has nothing to do w/the metro area

are you sure, here's your friend wikipedia:

'The Petite Couronne[3] (Little Crown, i.e. Inner Ring) is the hub of the urban agglomeration of Paris.'

hub of the urban agglomeration of Paris =/ metro area! just look at yr map^

'hub of the urban agglomeration' has 'nothing to do w/ the metro area'

wtf are we even arguing about, I know you're just trolling me

i am not, you are being dumb

you guys!

I think you're confusing the use of 'metropolitan area' on that map (which is really just the best english translation for aire urbaine) w/ it being a term that means one and only one thing

im sry i simply refuse to let iatee make up his own city definitions willy nilly 'jersey city yes staten no s conn not sure penn no wai' will not stand for this amateur tautological urban analysis