There's more to an album than its quality?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
talking about how the "narrative" "feels" is kind of a way of saying that people had this on their year-end list probably before the first or second single dropped.
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
10.0 should be rare grades: it denotes perfection. Obviously PFM thinks this record deserves it.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:11 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is a really boring way of using a number system imo. PERFECTION is boring
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
they most likely did though
― The Brainwasher² = (The Brainwasher) X (The Brainwasher), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I think people are just saying that scores should reflect the quality and listenability of a record and not the editorial perspective and aesthetic outlook of the publication giving the score?
xpost - Alfred otm. sometimes i'm not sure i've every heard a 10/10
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:11 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
or maybe an overlap of the 2?
I mean, you're right, Brainwasher, if you're claiming the album's excellence was but one criterion in awarding it a 10.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
um, if it was boring it wouldn't be perfect
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ exactly
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
deej is kind of touching on this but I do think it's interesting that 10.0 seems to equal "perfection" but what makes this album fascinating/enjoyable to me is its imperfection
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:13 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
there's more to 'quality' than your arbitrary subjective rating, when it comes to a large community of listeners discussing a record. things like context & narratives & relatability & consensus & etc
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe it's just me, but if I was bored by something there is no way I would describe it as "perfect"
possibly "pristine" or "immaculate" if I was being nice or "unsurprising" or "uninspired" if I wasn't, but "perfect" is supposed to be a positive, isn't it?
xp: that's because, when they work, flaws are considered idiosyncrasies
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
well that's what makes it fascinating/enjoyable to me as an object/album/concept, really I just like fun songs
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
what makes this album fascinating/enjoyable to me is its imperfection
Yeah, this makes sense, and more than half the albums I love are lovable precisely because they're imperfect. But if a 10.0 is the equivalent of an A+, then to me it means there's nothing – not a note – wrong with the album.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i think 'there are no perfect albums!!' is a super nerdy/lame cop-out, basically
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
xp yeah, I'm not saying the actual quality of the record is not important, but there are a host of other things that make it the kind of album that it makes sense to give a 10 to - more contextual elements (impact, kanye's public persona/ the "narrative", etc.)
― The Brainwasher² = (The Brainwasher) X (The Brainwasher), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
10.0 = unlike anything else u will hear this year (unless it's 2002, or a radiohead album or important reissue came out this year)
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:18 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark
thats according to you. maybe other ppl dont use the number system like its a math test score
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, which I have already noted.
no one has claimed this.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
what record, alfred, is so perfect & unmarred by flaws that it would deserve a 10.0 from pfork
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
How exactly would you use it in a manner that wouldn't be like a math test score that still makes it meaningful? You seem to be arguing that the rating is arbitrary, in which case why have it at all?
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
has any album got 9.9? that actually seems more ridiculous
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
xp oh sorry 'there havent been perfect albums in years'
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:21 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
of course it's arbitrary!! youre giving a numerical rating to a piece of art ...?
"oh man would've been a 10 but the fadeout at the end of track 7 is just too abrupt"
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Your record of being a douchebag.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
It is NOT arbitrary, it's subjective. There is a massive difference.
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, we're just having a conversation - what are you being so defensive about?
I've already said: I mean, you're right, Brainwasher, if you're claiming the album's excellence was but one criterion in awarding it a 10.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, November 22, 2010 12:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
so you're saying number ratings should only be used as a blunt instrument of kingmaking and market positioning, or at least that's the only interesting or exciting way to use them.
really i think the concept of "perfection" in art is itself boring, and that's the very reason i probably wouldn't give anything a 10. i'd rather listen to a 9 with intriguing flaws (which imo is the only reasonable best case scenario for this album, even if I wouldn't give it that) than a supposed 10 that beats you over the head with its importance and supposed untouchable status.
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link
has any album got 9.9? that actually seems more ridiculous― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:21 (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:21 (1 minute ago) Bookmark
― prolego, Monday, 22 November 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
not sure i agree this is the "right" way to go about it, but there's def. more than quality at play w/r/t pfork ratings or any other publication -- which is why, for example, Best New Music tags are so predictable, because it's easy to guess which albums pfork will position as representing the 2010 PFORK AESTHETIC before it even hands out a rating
i certainly didn't predict the kanye 10.0 (didn't think they'd ever hand out another of these, reissues aside) but i was honestly confident it'd be the best-ranking album of 2010, or at least a 9.2, on par w/ big boi and lcd, and that's a testament to being able to predict "context & narratives & relatability & consensus & etc" that pfork will take into account -- has almost nothing to do w/ quality
― ilxor, Monday, 22 November 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
ha thx prolego
my favourite album of the 00s is only an 8.4
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
bjork's homogenic got a 9.9 back in the day
― ilxor, Monday, 22 November 2010 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link
a quick google search gives a more comprehensive list:
Albums awarded a 9.9 ratingSome albums have been awarded a 9.9 upon original release or reissue: * Björk – Homogenic * Miles Davis – Live-Evil * John Lennon – Imagine: Digitally Remastered and Remixed * Silver Jews – American Water * Various Artists – The Complete Motown Singles, Vol. 7: 1967
Some albums have been awarded a 9.9 upon original release or reissue:
* Björk – Homogenic * Miles Davis – Live-Evil * John Lennon – Imagine: Digitally Remastered and Remixed * Silver Jews – American Water * Various Artists – The Complete Motown Singles, Vol. 7: 1967
source: http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Pitchfork_Media#Albums_awarded_a_9.9_rating
― ilxor, Monday, 22 November 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
the only one I remembered was the Silver Jews one (shoulda been a 10.0 imo)
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:23 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no, im saying that contextual concerns enter into the equation, that i agree no record is perfect but otoh not giving out 10.0's because you acknowledge that no piece of human art can attain perfection is grumpy old man shit & that handing out a 10.0 once in awhile is more fun
dont know why alfred thinks im being a jerk here?? i just disagree
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost also someone posted that same exact thing just before u lol
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
i also think that if they had given it something in the upper 9s half the ppl here would be on some "why didnt they just give it a 10???" ish bcuz folks just like disagreeing
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link
hope this 10.0 means pitchfork are going to give out the 10.0 ranking more often now.
― prolego, Monday, 22 November 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not saying nobody should ever give something a 10.0 if they really feel it's warranted, I'm just saying that it doesn't seem warranted here and it seems to be done for reasons that are more insidious than just "fun"
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
not saying kanye should be pfork's pitck bcuz of marketing, but bcuz its a record that hits a lot of aesthetic points for pfork's audience, btw -- that it 'makes sense' as a 10.0 record!
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
1o.0
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
but otoh not giving out 10.0's because you acknowledge that no piece of human art can attain perfection is grumpy old man shit & that handing out a 10.0 once in awhile is more fun
this this this
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
"insidious"!
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
feels like maybe dyed-in-the-wool indies resent pitchfork for breaking its long 10.0 silence to celebrate a MAINSTREAM COMMERCIAL RAPPER — would've been okay if some out-of-nowhere dudes turned into 'the animal collective of 2k11' and made an album that is a testament to the relevance of the indie lifestyle
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:31 AM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ooooh what are these insidious, conspiratorial motives?? do tell
i mean do u really think most of pfork's staff doesnt like this record?
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
when will p4k reveal their evil plan?
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:33 AM (5 seconds ago) Bookmark
what hipster is willing to give a hipster musical plaudits of 10.0?? this seems more pforkian imo
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
most of them prefer /\/\/\Y/\ secretly
― Noel 1 Kanye 10.0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Watch: Gorillaz Cover the xx
I think they just did
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link