ha
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
I almost feel like music publications need this record to be a big thing. in the wake of the almost-complete balkanization of taste on the internet, people want to believe that there is still a record that can be released that will unite all music fans under the one banner. wish they could have found a better record to congregate under though.
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
So we don't like this, but it must be Important (with a capital I) because it is exhausting?
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the reaction here is more "wtf music critics" than anything else
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
dayo kinda agree. would really expect a record like this from an artist like this to be as divisive as 808s if not more so but get the impression the vast majority of reviews will be positive.
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
not music critics' fault they're expected to have opinions about this shit ~
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I will say this, though; the first paragraph of the Pitchfork review has actually made me want to sit through the "Runaway" video.
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link
...don't
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
To be clear, Kanye West is not Michael Jackson. As he told MTV last month, "I do have a goal in this lifetime to be the greatest artist of all time, [but] that's very difficult being that I can't dance or sing.
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
On Twisted Fantasy, Kanye is crazy enough to truly believe he's the greatest out there. And, about a decade into his career, the hardworking perfectionist has gained the talent on the mic and in the control room to make a startlingly strong case for just that.
okay NOW I understand why ppl are taking issue with this review
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
This hardworking perfectionist has gained the talent on the mic and control room to record a singularly dull album.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
xposts
or at least hold off for a heavily edited version that includes only:
the MJ paradekanye punching out the live Power remix on the MPC (altho you don't have to watch this just listen)
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
like, that's akin to saying something like "Katy Perry showcases vocal chops that put her contemporaries to shame"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Trying to imagine the alternate world in 2001 where Kanye has somehow never heard of a recording studio and resolves to 'learn something about this.'
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 November 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
He spent ours in the New York Public Library educating himself on engineering and mixing.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
*hours
Oh ffs, the "baroque instrumentation" of Late Registration? Is there a viol-and-harpsichord version of that album that I've never heard?
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Society for Creative Anakanyeism
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 November 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually Ren Fest could have made a great album title after the college ones. (Or maybe a remix album title, along with Reggae Fest.)
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 November 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
code word for "jon brion collab" of course
― questeon the answers (call all destroyer), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link
That big important record all critics need = the eventual justin timberlake record imo xxxxxxxpost
Also late registration DID have an orchestra led live record!
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Unlike Michael, he's not interested ['interested'? are you sure he's not?] in scrubbing away bits of himself-- his blackness, his candidness [!!]-- to appease the masses. And while Jackson's own twisted fantasies of paranoia and betrayal eventually consumed him whole, West is still aware of his illusions, though that mindfulness becomes increasingly unmoored [wtf] with each newspaper-splashing controversy.
Like Michael, Kanye's behavior-- from the poorly planned outbursts to the musical brilliance-- is wide-eyed in a way that most 33 year olds have long left behind. That naivety is routinely battered on Twisted Fantasy, yet it survives, better for the wear. With his music and persona both marked by a flawed honesty, Kanye's man-myth dichotomy is at once modern and truly classic. "I can't be everybody's hero and villain, savior and sinner, Christian and anti Christ!" he wrote earlier this month. That may be true, but he's more willing than anyone else to try.— Ryan Dombal, November 22, 2010
— Ryan Dombal, November 22, 2010
"I wish Michael Jackson had twitter!!!!!! Maybe Mike could have explained how the media tried to set him up!!! It's all a fucking set up!!!!"
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link
the eventual justin timberlake record imo
He's too busy playing a bear.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 November 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Basically, I think the problem with that Pitchfork review is the voice. Had it been more conversational and personal, it would have come across more as a dude you know who was wildly, totally amped about this album and couldn't wait to turn you onto it; you may agree or disagree but the pronouncements of greatness would have been easier to digest. As it stands, it reads as a dude you know attempting to convince you using empirical evidence that this is the best album of the year and failing miserably because he is exuding uncritical fanboyishness out of every pore, causing muddled comparisons and rampant overselling of things that, if they are as good as he says they are, would speak for themselves.
Still probably going to pick this up though, because the description of the Aphex sampling track sounds great.
xp: orchestra != "baroque"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link
ba·roque (b-rk)adj.1. also Baroque Of, relating to, or characteristic of a style in art and architecture developed in Europe from the early 17th to mid-18th century, emphasizing dramatic, often strained effect and typified by bold, curving forms, elaborate ornamentation, and overall balance of disparate parts.2. also Baroque Music Of, relating to, or characteristic of a style of composition that flourished in Europe from about 1600 to 1750, marked by expressive dissonance and elaborate ornamentation.3. Extravagant, complex, or bizarre, especially in ornamentation: "the baroque, encoded language of post-structural legal and literary theory" (Wendy Kaminer).
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok bumders I'm not a copy editor, just a futile hiphop nerdballs.
― hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
xp: point taken, but I maintain that is still an extraordinarily poor word choice, given that in the context of music there is a stronger, more accepted meaning of the word "baroque" than that definition
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, true. Sorry, I had a sudden spasm of dictionary-citing pedantry. "What is baroque? Webster's defines it as…"
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
my problem:pitchfork be on some weird (and not necessarily sinister or ill-intentioned, mostly just self-serving and symptomatic) slippery equivalence of mental illness —> artistic genius —> childishness —> unmediated expression of some sort of biological essence ('candidness', like 'blackness', is apparently built right into Kanye's bad self — altho both could be 'scrubbed away' if he rly cared to...)... ——> negation of a fallen modern (superficial, fake, technologized, etc) society. or something. basic fascist mythology, innit?
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
dan i think "elaborate" is the more common definition for "baroque" for all us non-classical music geeks
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Monday, 22 November 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.allmusic.com/explore/style/baroque-pop-d4555
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque_pop
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22charles+stepney%22+baroque
― Andy K, Monday, 22 November 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont care about this record really but i have been looking forward to the 180 everyone does once the context goes from 'much better than 808s' to 'omg 10.0 so0 overrated'
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
"Chamber rap" would probably be more confusing.
xpost
― Andy K, Monday, 22 November 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
...and you will know us by the Trail of Backlash
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:00 AM (8 minutes ago)
Was supposed to be posted in here
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
hello I would like to introduce you to Wesley Willis/Chan Marshall fandom
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
still think 808s is a great albumlistened to it last night for first time in a while and yeah apart from broing Amazing and Heartless and the final track i enjoy v much the sound of his misery
listened to it last night for first time in a while and yeah apart from broing Amazing and Heartless and the final track i enjoy v much the sound of his misery
u crazy, those are three of the best tracks!
as it is, i still haven't heard k's new album, but would be hard pressed to think anything can sum up his Important Status (as seems to be emphasized by pfork, rolling stone, et al.) more than his deadpanned line on "amazing"/808s: "my reign is as far as your eyes can seee"
― ilxor, Monday, 22 November 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
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actually pretty sure this is all art criticism forever
dudes did you guys hear van gogh cut off his own fucking ear, hardcore
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
ha I was going to get there eventually
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Well wait, it depends on whether by "final track" we are talking about "Coldest Winter" or "Pinocchio Story", because, if the latter, yeah that is truly awful.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think anyone actually defends "Pinocchio Story"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i was referring to that one
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I was certainly hoping not.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
ahh you're right, "pinocchio" is awful awful bad
― ilxor, Monday, 22 November 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
actually pretty sure this is all art criticism foreverdudes did you guys hear van gogh cut off his own fucking ear, hardcore― congratulations (n/a), Monday, November 22, 2010 4:23 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkha I was going to get there eventually― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 4:30 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
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― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh I think going gaga for Kanye's monomania makes more sense than going gaga for R. Kelly's "Trapped In The Closet", possibly because it is rather unambiguously about Kanye and his failings and not presented as some weird R&B/hip-hop telenovela crossed with "a peek into the lives of black people" nonsense
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah. that's a good point.
okay I just put the album on my comp and am abt to listen, will stop spouting off uninformedly
"can we get much higher" — sure, I'm down if u want to
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
can youuuuuuu takeeee meee hhhiiigggheer
― markers, Monday, 22 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
hooray markers is here
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
just made it thru "power" and I'm already tired
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
As it stands, it reads as a dude you know attempting to convince you using empirical evidence that this is the best album of the year and failing miserably because he is exuding uncritical fanboyishness out of every pore, causing muddled comparisons and rampant overselling of things that, if they are as good as he says they are, would speak for themselves.
Welcome to music writing, DJP. Take a chair.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link