Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

Which shit exactly?

i can;t say EXACTLY like to the decimal place

but it's APPROXIMATELY or circa ~10

if you wanna try to narrow it down with me so we can be more exactly let me know a hoy hoy

Lol btw it's .0

I still haven't heard this, but I'm so glad Pfork gave it a 10.0 so I could watch you guys get all riled up about it. Good job Pfork!

Think we had the problem regardless of lol ratings

True, but this really kicked it up a notch.

It made it his be here now

to a 9.7?

looking forward to this thread hitting 500 new answers soon

It's thankfully nowhere near being his Be Here Now but some of the reviews are very similar in that they spend more time on the size of the phenomenon than on the music. It sounds so big! He's so famous!

dammit, I was going to avoid this album but all of this complaining makes me want to hear it to see if it's really that bad

it's not

it's really not

I didn't think so but the garment-rending at Pitchfork giving it a 10.0 is making me lol

I ruined my best flannel button up today because of this

It is in no way as embarrassing as 808 but it is possibly worse.. If that makes sense? That said if Kanye was more choosy with his collabs, learnt from dre when he doesn't need to rap and had an editor with some balls to tell him when to end things, it could have been a lot better.

Still more likelyto listen to it at any point in my life ever than any post retirement jay.

i officially have no idea if i'm gonna like this or not

It's not just P4k - nobody on Metacritic has dipped below 88 yet. This is the kind of big, ambitious, flawed record that I'd like to see reviewed in three months' time. That's when the interesting criticism might happen - at the moment it's just variations on wow. (I don't exempt myself from that - if I'd had to turn around a review quickly I suspect I'd have erred on the side of positivity, though not to the extent of 10/10)

I'm prepared to read (and have, in a few places) spirited defenses and reevaluations of 808's, but this album sticks too closely to his tried-and-true.

still think 808s is a great album

It reminds me in places of plastic surgery gone too far - always aiming for bigger and better, he ends up making some potentially great songs ugly and repellent.

still think 808s is a great album

listened to it last night for first time in a while and yeah apart from broing Amazing and Heartless and the final track i enjoy v much the sound of his misery

for one thing it's almost half an hour shorter than this mess

Because 808s is a great album!

from tom ewing's tumblr:

10. Do I enjoy the record? No, not especially, or at least not as a 70 minute experience. Parts of it. Songs on shuffle. But it’s exhausting! In the way Important Records usually are. I’ve played it three times through - hardly enough to have an opinion - but I’m not really reaching for it again.

otm

yes it's exhausting

ugh so tired after sitting on my ass and listening to this album

ha

I almost feel like music publications need this record to be a big thing. in the wake of the almost-complete balkanization of taste on the internet, people want to believe that there is still a record that can be released that will unite all music fans under the one banner. wish they could have found a better record to congregate under though.

So we don't like this, but it must be Important (with a capital I) because it is exhausting?

I think the reaction here is more "wtf music critics" than anything else

dayo kinda agree. would really expect a record like this from an artist like this to be as divisive as 808s if not more so but get the impression the vast majority of reviews will be positive.

not music critics' fault they're expected to have opinions about this shit ~

I will say this, though; the first paragraph of the Pitchfork review has actually made me want to sit through the "Runaway" video.

...don't

To be clear, Kanye West is not Michael Jackson. As he told MTV last month, "I do have a goal in this lifetime to be the greatest artist of all time, [but] that's very difficult being that I can't dance or sing.

ha

On Twisted Fantasy, Kanye is crazy enough to truly believe he's the greatest out there. And, about a decade into his career, the hardworking perfectionist has gained the talent on the mic and in the control room to make a startlingly strong case for just that.

okay NOW I understand why ppl are taking issue with this review

This hardworking perfectionist has gained the talent on the mic and control room to record a singularly dull album.

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or at least hold off for a heavily edited version that includes only:

the MJ parade
kanye punching out the live Power remix on the MPC (altho you don't have to watch this just listen)

like, that's akin to saying something like "Katy Perry showcases vocal chops that put her contemporaries to shame"

Trying to imagine the alternate world in 2001 where Kanye has somehow never heard of a recording studio and resolves to 'learn something about this.'

He spent ours in the New York Public Library educating himself on engineering and mixing.

*hours

Oh ffs, the "baroque instrumentation" of Late Registration? Is there a viol-and-harpsichord version of that album that I've never heard?

Society for Creative Anakanyeism

Actually Ren Fest could have made a great album title after the college ones. (Or maybe a remix album title, along with Reggae Fest.)

Oh ffs, the "baroque instrumentation" of Late Registration? Is there a viol-and-harpsichord version of that album that I've never heard?

code word for "jon brion collab" of course

That big important record all critics need = the eventual justin timberlake record imo xxxxxxxpost

Also late registration DID have an orchestra led live record!