Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

i mean the general negative reaction to this album on ilx seems to be pretty isolated from what i can tell

fair enough. guess rap stans officially stopped being the target audience a while back.

808s had his lowest 1st week ever (which was still about equal to Thank Me Later's), but it had a huge single and kept selling for months and moved almost 2mil. i think the hype on this album is big enough that he could have his biggest first week ever, at which point it won't matter if any singles keep people buying it, by Christmas it'll probably have outsold 808s regardless.

lowest since college dropout, i should say

have gotten nothing whatsoever of interest or enjoyment from this album, but just want to chime in on how great that nitsuh review is.

this is going to be a huge record

noone's disputing that though?

lol

if anyone else had posted that, it would have been ignored or someone random would have written "true"

i mean a hoy hoy i guess floated the idea but didn't seem too confident
(xpost ha)

if anyone else had posted that, it would have been ignored or someone random would have written "true"

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i was just cosigning w/ everyone answering this q:

"so is this album going to flop*?"

yeah sorry duder.

"the joy" is actually really awesome -- prob the best good friday track

it's like old school ye rapping -- welcome back welcome back

I like this album a lot, I think?

Listened to it really loud last night driving down the highway, sounded great.

wish "Hell of a Ride" had a less stupid chorus because the rest of the song is great

next time you see me on your fallopian
know the jewelry's egyptian, know the hunger is ethiopian
stupid questions like is he gonna be dope again
have you see him? has anybody spoke to him?
this beat deserves hennessey
a bad bitch and a bag of weed -- the holy trinity
in the mirror where i see my only enemy
your life's cursed? well mine's an obscenity

also feel like a lot of kanye's lines that read cringe-y in print sound a lot less cringe-y as he delivers them

spalding ball

ha I will cop to liking "i'm so appalled, spalding ball." it's totally meaningless but the way the words sound is very appealing to me. I think it's my mantra.

i think this album has the potential to be very well received among rock fans who look for albums that are grand sweeping artistic statements and whatnot

i mean i guess kanye's already been incredibly big with rock critics but the way this album's constructed might seem even more familiar coming in from that angle than his previous ones were

10.0!

That score is surprising, even by pitchfork standards....it's more like an 8.5 at best. Big Boi is more deserving of a score like that.

lolololol i am currently deciding what score should accompany my review of this piece of shit - SPOILER it's not a 10 or anything close

who wrote that review? i ain't clicking on it, been fooled like that before.

dombal

xxp I haven't listened to this Kanye record yet, but yeah I can't imagine it being better than the BB album, which is pretty much unassailable imo.

im trying to figure out why i like this album so much, but i really do! and tbh its probably at least in part cause ilx is being such a big poopy pants about it. the rapping is pretty crappy but i dig the production.

hahaha dombal is the WORST

which is saying something, on pfork

re pillbox's post

kanye album makes much more sense as an album to go out on a limb and give a 10 to, in the sense that it's a major work in the career of the guy that's probably gonna be the enduring pop star of the generation -- the big boi record is great of course but... that guy made like 3 10.0 albums w/ outkast

the only song i like on the album is "hell of a life" fwiw, which seems really out of place - otherwise it's kind of like one massive advert for nicki minaj given how much more enjoyable her "monster" verse is than anything else on it

my main problem is that obviously it's not a perfect album, but even as far as 'perfect' imperfect albums go it's not as good as 'late registration' imo, though it's def a great album

Yeah, does anyone honestly think that SIR LUCIOUS is a 10.0? I can understand giving Fantasy a 10 but it's not a 10, in my opinion. My review, which is being published on Tuesday, gives it a 3.5. I could've rounded up to a 4 but I just couldn't do it. Something about the album rubs me the wrong way.

in the sense that it's a major work in the career of the guy that's probably gonna be the enduring pop star of the generation

actually agree that K will be seen as an ~enduring~ and ~important~ pop star of our generation, blah blah blah, but measuring purely by how own standards this album isn't going to be seen as his major contribution, musically - diff between something happening to be released in what seems to be his imperial period, and something actually being worthy of designated as such

i guess it really matters how much you can or want to separate the album from its 'backstory' -- i guess you could also argue over how possible that even it is, but just on musical merits all take LR over this

dark stupid fantasy isn't even as good as graduation - it's not as good as 808s!!! (and certainly not as "interesting" - for all its whiny faults i did admire the risks K took there.)

sir lucious isn't a 10 either, it's a solid 8, maybe a 7 - i stopped listening to it completely a few months ago for some reason. not sure any 10/10 albums have been released this year tbh. maybe ciara's album, based on what we've heard so far, might be.

oh, I wasn't arguing for the BB record being PERFECT mind, just that I was pretty sure I wasn't going to hear a better hip-hop album this year at this point (and I give slightly more cred to pfork reviews than most seem to around here, but by no means do I take the Kanye score at face value - still, it makes me all the more curious to hear the record now).

the "backstory" makes this album MORE annoying if anything - separating it from that, it's merely boring

best hip-hop albums this year for me = yelawolf and jacka & laroo

^^^^^

ALSO i feel honour-bound to say that as dodgy as pink friday is, it's way less of a disaster than this

God, this album is so boring. I find the critical hosannas somewhat embarrassing.

In these Girl Talk times, an artist who can take disparate musical elements and instead of just mashing them together can subtly combine them in ways we’ve never seen before should be appreciated not scorned.

There are five 9+ records I have heard this year (big boi, yela, starlito, mellow hype and waka) that I wouldn't complain about getting a straight 10. Maybe the Waka for the rubbish guests. But the good Fridays and anything with the jay z monster verse I've heard plus that 8 minute mess runaway doesn't deserve a 5 let alone a 10.

Miss you Kanye and jeez dr4ke, sort it out over there with their rap coverage, if you can call Kanye that.

In these Girl Talk times, an artist who can take disparate musical elements and instead of just mashing them together can subtly combine them in ways we’ve never seen before should be appreciated not scorned.

yes subtly combining disparate musical elements has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE o_0

"these girl talk times" smh

I mean this is just his worst album by far. It makes LR seem restrained, and that album has way more actual songs and bangers worth listening to.

kanye album makes much more sense as an album to go out on a limb and give a 10 to, in the sense that it's a major work in the career of the guy that's probably gonna be the enduring pop star of the generation -- the big boi record is great of course but... that guy made like 3 10.0 albums w/ outkast

― J0rdan S., Monday, November 22, 2010 5:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

yeah if you read the review it's pretty clear that at least half of the score goes to kanye's status in the music world right now, the backstory, the placement of the album in his career arc, etc. etc.

for pfork this is like the opportunity to review, idk, bad when it first came out, and p4k needed to give it a 10 to legitimatize itself as a major music publication, not just a major indie music publication

in other words, feel P4k is more conscious than ever of their role in writing the history for this major world-class musician and is trying to fill that role, even if the album itself is ehhhhhh

I don't understand the thrust of the first 3 paras: Kanye is like Michael Jackson, but not really, OK maybe a little bit, anyway…

Nine paras of context and three about the music doesn't really sell this as a 10.0 record. But dayo's right, that score is more about Pitchfork's self-image than it is about this album. It's like Q giving five stars to Coldplay.