Good Charlotte: Classic or Dud?

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Is there something automatically bad about music kids like?

They don't know any better and have lower standards.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:39 (twenty years ago) link

>>Is there something automatically bad about music kids like?
They don't know any better and have lower standards.<<

Horseshit. And the Moody Blues were better than "Sugar Sugar," right?

chuck, Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:41 (twenty years ago) link

And the Moody Blues were better than "Sugar Sugar," right?

Depends on which track.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

The first record I bought was Iron Maiden; I guess you're right.

Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

My first record was Iron Maiden too. Powerslave?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:43 (twenty years ago) link

"Kids" = too broad a term. What age group are we really talking about? Toddlers? Pre-teens? Teens? Late-adolescents?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:44 (twenty years ago) link

My first record was Dressed to Kill by Kiss. Still listen to it today.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:45 (twenty years ago) link

Iron Maiden???? Wow, maybe kids have worse taste than I thought.

And *Dressed to Kill* basically IS an Archies record, for crissakes (even if they should've broken up after their debut album, where they used up almost all of their memorable riffs.)

chuck, Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

dude
the reason i hate good charolette has NOTHING to do with PUNK and EVERYTHING to do with the way they SOUND.

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

in the interest of fairness to children everywhere, this thread was brought to you by the fine people who brought you

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jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

When I was a kid I loved Sebadoh. QED.

Adam A. (Keiko), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

and my first record was liscense to ill

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

DJ SONIC JESUS likes Good Charlotte?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, you're worrying me with your Archies fixation.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

haha read harder alex (in sf)

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:57 (twenty years ago) link

"My first record was Iron Maiden too. Powerslave?"

Number of the Beast. I'm pretty sure my second one was "License to Ill".

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

my second record was dare to be stupid

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

You're all so young!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

oh, i neglected to mention i was 33 then.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:05 (twenty years ago) link

Crud Charlotte.

I dont care about all this 4real punXor nonsense. I just don't think they're a very good pop band.

However. I would like to see them on the streets where I hope they wouldn't last a week.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:15 (twenty years ago) link

The fact that Mike Watt appeard in the video for "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" depresses me.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

Mike Watt's performance in front of the Savage Republic reunion show in November was depressing, too.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

If you've read any of my posts, you might expect me to fall hard on GC, but I won't. They are from Waldorf, Md. a completely depressing place chocked full of strip malls, malls and created communities. They are lucky they formed a band instead of hanging out behind the 7-11 smoking blunts laced with pcp.
They NEVER had any interest in being anything but a major label act, they wanted to make videos, sell a million and be on TRL. They are as punk as my grandmother's doll collection but they managed to do everything they wanted and they keep tattoo artists in business. The twins also bought their mom a house.
Who are they hurting?

Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Friday, 9 May 2003 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

Good Charlotte is yet another band off the pseudo-pop punk (you can pretty much remove the term 'punk' though, as it's not even remotely a representation of that genre) assembly line...corny songwriting, whiny boy vocals...haven't we heard this before?

And didn't we not care then?

they suck.

Rob DelMedico, Friday, 9 May 2003 01:56 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, people, stop blaming the kids. I'm younger than, like 90% of this thread, and you don't see me listening to Good Charlotte. Meanwhile, my ex-boyfriend, FDNY, was like 32 and fucking loved Good Charlotte.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 01:58 (twenty years ago) link

Also, if I'm reading jess right, starting threads to argue with yourself is SO GAY. I mean, I wouldn't even do that when I was at my most bored, c'mon.

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:03 (twenty years ago) link

dud!

Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:07 (twenty years ago) link

Maybe it's Alex in NYC's pre-teen son who started this THREAD!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:21 (twenty years ago) link

http://movieweb.com/movie/starwars/rotj2.jpg

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:23 (twenty years ago) link

but which is the dark side?

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:26 (twenty years ago) link

Ally wins.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:28 (twenty years ago) link

Who's more worthy of the title "Grand Punk Railroad": Good Charlotte, New Found Glory, or Sum 41?

Nick Mirov (nick), Friday, 9 May 2003 05:18 (twenty years ago) link

i have never heard this band, but the whole 'music for kids' thing is interesting. i like about 50% of what i listened to when i was a teenager, and the other half blows. why should i listen to Good Charlotte if the adult me thinks they suck? what's wrong with the idea that you actually grow up, and that even pop music can produce good things that don't appeal to 14 year olds?

Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 9 May 2003 05:46 (twenty years ago) link

Alright, alright....I slightly recant my earlier comment about kids ("They don't know any better and have lower standards."),...although I still think it's a defensible point. They DON'T any better. But, some might argue, they don't CARE! And that's fine...my only problem in the case of Good Charlotte is that they are borrowing wholesale from the iconography of an earlier era of Punk Rock, yet playing music that is as watered down and devoid of the definite article's spark, edge and sensibility as can be. They're hijacking the image of Punk Rock, but using it to sell a shallow, anaemic knock-off of it.


Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 05:55 (twenty years ago) link

whoops, that irate assertion should read: They DON'T know any better.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 06:09 (twenty years ago) link

I like their latest single.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 9 May 2003 07:04 (twenty years ago) link

my sisters boyfriend is in love with this band. i threw him out of my house for bashing Durutti Column. Trying to tell me that Good Charlotte is better than anything Durutti Column has ever put out. I asked him if he ever listened to Durutti Column and he said no. I followed it up with a "get out".

Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 9 May 2003 10:21 (twenty years ago) link

anthony miccio to thread

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 9 May 2003 10:22 (twenty years ago) link

What bothers me the most about them(apart from them being worse than sugar ray) is, they take a subject(re "life styles..") wich seems they have nothing in common with, and than turn it into novelty, sorta like its really important for them to deliver the "message".
kinda like Milli Vanilli lip syncing, kid rock rapping about being brought up in a tuff neighborhood. the point where novelty becomes fakery.

rexJr., Friday, 9 May 2003 11:31 (twenty years ago) link

I thought Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous was terrible; but I love Girls and Boys. I don't have an opinion on 'Good Charlotte' per se: is that terribly wrong of me? Just another pop band. I can see why people might want to turn them into the new 'Avril' as something against which to assert your own 'credibility' but I really can't see the fucking point.

alext (alext), Friday, 9 May 2003 11:43 (twenty years ago) link

"I don't really have a Good Charlotte opinion myself anymore, but I do gotta say it's annoying how EASY a target they're becoming. All the people whining about how they're not a "real" punk band make me WANT to like them. "

Chuck, you (and Xgau) basically summed up my feelings on Avril Lavigne. Stay tuned to SOTC in the coming weeks...

As for GC, they're neither classic nor dud IMO.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 9 May 2003 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, jess, clearly Alex is Vader; I mean would Luke Skywalker use all that BOLD TEXT??

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

luke skywalker, sweaty dude

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

bite my ass you closeminded posers. ANYBODY can tell these guys dress like Rancid but sound like more like Third Eye Blind (possessed with the brain of a less strident, naive-in-a-different-way Minor Threat-era Ian MacKaye). Why do you think that's perceptive?

I have already talked about these guys enough.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 17:30 (twenty years ago) link

one thing I'd add to my original rant is that the title track ain't redundant at all. In fact, the anti-critic screams sound more justified with each listen (especially since they question the value of their lives right afterwards, something fellow-critic-targets 311 really should have done).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

their lives=madden bros. lives, not critics. they're not pulling a Chuck D guess-the-crew-did-it thing.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

ANYBODY can tell these guys dress like Rancid but sound like more like Third Eye Blind

A good point, and one I'll swiftly support, though Rancid themselves copped their whole aesthetic from the Exploited et al.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

Alex, you are the Blackwell of ILM.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 20:01 (twenty years ago) link

>>though Rancid themselves copped their whole aesthetic from the Exploited et al.<<

Oh come on.

They took their HAIRCUTS from the Exploited, if that. (Or do the Exploited have all kindsa sweet pretty melodies I've never heard?) And how original were the Exploited anyway? (Actually, if "et. al." means "the Clash and Specials", tho, you might have a point. Though those bands copped big chunks of their aesthetic from Slade and Desmond Dekker, I guess. Who might not have been originals, either.)

And Third Eye Blind are better than the Exploited were, anyway. (Tho
not better than the 4 Skins or Rudimentary Peni, maybe. I forget.)

chuck, Friday, 9 May 2003 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

especially since they question the value of their lives right afterwards, something fellow-critic-targets 311 really should have done
their lives=madden bros. lives, not critics. they're not pulling a Chuck D guess-the-crew-did-it thing.

Well thats the only explenation about them that makes sense. but one problem remains, the first thing that hit my mind was how awful was that track, how bands like Lit and Sugar Ray did it much better(i ain't no fan of Lit and Sugar Ray).

rexJr., Friday, 9 May 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

I hate their whiny vocals.

Leelee, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Duddd. "Authenticity" doesn't even come into it: just horrid songwriting, period. That please-don't-kill-yourself song makes "Everybody Hurts" sound like "Rock'n'Roll Suicide" (which it does anyway, I guess).

"Hold On", replete with interview clips from "real" suicide "survivors". So tastelessly manipulative that it's offensive, and not in a good way either.

Dud, dud, dud.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 27 November 2004 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

hardcore punk has been dead for 20 years. green day-style bubblegum punk has been dead for 10 years. how is "reviving" either style NOT inherently rockist? to put it another way, how is reviving ANY dead style to pick at its bones (for fun, profit, or otherwise) somehow a "pop" move?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 28 November 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

http://pochettescd.free.fr/images/l/LouBegaFront.jpg

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 28 November 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

But he was only a one hit wonder and doesn't count. Oh wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Eh Good Charlotte have had some good moments but I've only heard singles and for the most part what I've liked about them I can't imagine were replicated in album form. Basically, I liked their songs in the mix of everything else I listen to on pop radio which is mostly towards the h-h end of things so it sort of threw in a sudden curveball which was good.

But yeah...I can't believe Chuck Eddy likes third eye blind. I mean, maybe everyone here is used to hearing Chuck wax on about bands that "omigod, i can't believe he likes that!" but this goes beyond idiosyncratic and I want to be a rebel to the canon and everything too but jesus 3rd Eye Blind is dreadful. And I'm not saying this from any rockist part of my heart I promise you. The melodies are just so putrid and the songs themselves are so bland and disgusting and revolting ARGERSFDLFJDS. Will there be a point where I won't find myself flipping out about Chuck's taste? Cuz I keep thinking I've reached that point and then in comes another artist from out of left field.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 28 November 2004 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Although I suppose this kind of post pleases him.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 28 November 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Third Eye Blind isn't nearly as bad as all that, Deej. "Semi-Charmed Life" is a truly great song. The other singles from the first album were pretty OK, too--"Jumper," "How's it Going to Be," "Losing a Whole Year," not bad.

I like Good Charlotte a lot more than I used to. I'm a sucker for "Predictable," and the new one sounds pretty good too. I guess once I stopped caring about the "morality" of Good Charlotte or whatever, I started liking the music way more.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
So how come nobody (including Anthony Frigging Miccio) ever told me how much I would like "I Just Wanna Live"??? I remember hearing it on the rentacar radio a couple times over the winter, and had no idea who it was -- just wondered what teen-poppers was doing a song with the push and soul falsetto of *NySync's "Bye Bye Bye" plus guitar riffs from "Smells Like Teen Spirit," and then forgot about it a couple minutes later. But now I get *Now That's What I Call Music! #18* in the mail (good album - I also really like the Lenny Kravitz track, bizarrely, and I don't hate Three Days Grace or Hoobastank as much as I thought I would), and turns out "I Just Wanna Live" is by Good Charlotte! What the hell? This is their best song ever, right?

xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

..what teen-poppers WERE dong a song with the push and soul falsetto of *NSYNC's...(jeez)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Just wanna Live" is an alltime OMG! LOL! WTF! classic. I think this was noted previously.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I put the track on Stylus' MP3 blog before it was a single and mentioned it plenty in my Stylus review and on my site. Didn't bother sending you a personal frigging e-mail because you underrate their last album work due to the whine, which remains.

It's definitely there most "pop" great song.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

their most. argh.

anyhow, my review of Chronicles Of Life & Death. It's a disappointment but there's enough quality tracks that I don't think they've totally lost what makes them great. As those who can read can see, I agree with xgau's take that they've lost all the specifics from the last album, but I still enjoy their harmonies and (dare i say) earnestness. I hope "Mountain" is the next single. It's sweet.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

their last. typos are my burden.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

ok I just woke up.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.pagesix.com/files/gallery/022508_pris_benji2.jpg

Ahhhhh, the sweet smell of hypocrisy.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, it is kind of hypocritical how the guy who always rails against vapid modern celebrity culture is now informing me about who Paris is dating.

Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Is it my fault that this picture was in the New York Post I happened to be reading? Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous indeed.

You shame the name Alex.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link

So wait, how is it hypocrisy for one of the Maddens to date Paris after the other knocked up Nicole? Or is the hypocrisy that you feel that in light of past Paris/Nicole rifts that this is disloyal? I need to know where you stand, man.

Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

FYI: the Madden Brothers are currently doing an acoustic set in the middle of an Australian cricket match on Australia Day.

Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 26 January 2013 10:21 (eleven years ago) link

?????

curmudgeon, Saturday, 26 January 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link

It's all part of this terrific marketing campaign for a major fast food chain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUOVvDlQ2U4

Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:08 (eleven years ago) link

dudes have always been big there. hell, their last album, which i couldn't even bother listening to after hearing the single, went gold, with that single going top ten.

da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:12 (eleven years ago) link

They're so popular that Joel is moving to Australia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X08fRT25rDk

Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link

i remember reading something back during my gossip blogger days that there was strife in the madden/richie family because he was committed to exploring the gold in thar hills (he's a voice australia judge iirc) while nicole richie had no fucking desire to move down under

da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:20 (eleven years ago) link

ok so apparently the australian voice panel is joel, seal, delta goodrem and until this season, keith urban. replacing keith in 2013...ricky martin

da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:21 (eleven years ago) link

Yep, Joel was a judge on The Voice Australia with Seal and Keith Urban (who got a promotion to American Idol and will now be replaced with...Ricky Martin) because...well, I have no fucking clue, all I know is every commercial break on television these days has 'I'm selling fried chicken or mobile phone coverage.

Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:25 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1WCT9W11Ok

da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:29 (eleven years ago) link

Anyway, LAWN BOWLS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIX27v5SmgY

Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:30 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

I salute them for surviving these tough times

http://www.theonion.com/articles/good-charlotte-recording-10-new-songs-to-be-played,35797/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link


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