Year-End Critics' Polls '08

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Sad thing is that's not too removed from the truth, which is another reason I'm not drawing up a list this year.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 16:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

These lists need more Matmos, methinks.

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 16:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

Don Cavalli album's pretty good tho it's like a parody on old blues albums done with electric gtrs

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

The only list I really get excited for anymore is probably THE WIRE list

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

Surprised to see Bon Iver and Okkervil pop up but not Shearwater.

Simon H., Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

w/r/t to what Dorian said above, I just realized that I haven't voted for a single rap record this year, in all the various year-end lists I've submitted (they're different for diff publications for criteria reasons and the fact that I actually vote for "national" and "local" CDs for one outlet).

nothing was AWESOME in hip-hop this year, you know? and the likeliest candidates all got pushed back from late 2008 to early 2009.

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

simon otm

Q's list is really just depressing and is surely some cruel joke

k3vin k., Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

nothing was AWESOME in hip-hop this year, you know? and the likeliest candidates all got pushed back from late 2008 to early 2009.

― Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:16 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I mean, it wasn't the best year for hip-hop sure...

But The Roots, ABN, TI, Jeezy, Webbie and Guilty Simpson are all pretty awesome in my eyes.

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

Whiney, I'm going to go ahead and fess up that I haven't heard ANY of those!

Wait, who are ABN?

I spend waaaay too much time and energy listing to avant-garde and noise...

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

ABN are Assholes By Nature, Houston diehards Z-Ro and Trae together. I think all those records I mentioned are better than the Lil Wayne record.

If you like avant-garde and noise, i suggest starting with the Roots record, which is pretty apocalyptic and unforgiving and moving on to Guilty Simpson, which is Madlibby stuff that The Wire readers could prolly fuck with.

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also, since you're here, can we talk about the best NOISE noise records (ie, harsh noise, not Fuck Buttons) of the year?

The only ones I've really loved are (in order)

1. Carlos Giffoni - Eternal Noise
2. Emeralds – Solar Bridge
3. Prurient - And Still Waiting
4. Burning Star Core - Challenger
5. The Goslings – Occasion
6. Robedoor - Rancor Keeper
7. Wold - Stratification
8. Skull Defekts - The Drone Drug

But I'm sure there's some I haven't copped. Supposedly Jason Crumer on Hospital is supposed to be ill.

But I'm sure there's a bunch

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

scratch that last line

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

also feeling nappy roots and bun b, in terms of hip-hop

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, add Nappy Roots to that list, definitely!

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 17:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

nothing was AWESOME in hip-hop this year, you know? and the likeliest candidates all got pushed back from late 2008 to early 2009.

― Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:16 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark

yah maybe try listening to rap before saying stuff like this??

deej, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

ooooooohboy I sure do love these conversations

dumb pseud (some dude), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

and the likeliest candidates all got pushed back from late 2008 to early 2009.

― Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:16 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark

jay-z? common? timbaland?

racist (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

50 and Alchemist too (I don't think Common got pushed back to next year, though)

dumb pseud (some dude), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

whiney you HAVE to cop crumer, that disc is amazing

also i'll second prurient, giffoni (that album and his other releases), bxc

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

That Lil Wayne record should be finishing high in critics polls, probably higher than it has on these listed. I mean it's really good and really popular, which tends to be what rises to the top when consensus is measured.

I don't think it's the best record of the year or anything, but it's one of the best albums that also sold a lot and MIGHT be the best hip-hop album in a relatively weak year for hip-hop albums.

It's the preponderance of Fleet Foxes/My Morning Jacket/Kings of Leon/etc. indie-roots mediocrities that's more depressing.

Hubie Brown, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

deej, i'll amend what i said to

"nothing was AWESOME in hip-hop this year for me"

that i heard

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

carter iii was great for what it was but couldn't be top ten for me given that there was so much better stuff out in other genres

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

robedoor and pocahaunted kinda leave me a bit cold, to be honest

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

Pocahaunted is Pocahorrible

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

Like if you're going to have a name that stupid, you better be awesome.

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Surprised Fennesz' Black Sea hasn't appeared in any list so far as I thought it was pretty much the mainstream ambient album and artist of choice. I suppose the late release is to blame.

Moka, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 18:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

Its not that good and it's no longer fashionable for indie fuXXors to rally around Funnesz

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

Tape's Luminarium is much better in that vein, but it didn't get too much by means of press

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

haha i'll second that whiney

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

other great 08 noise: controlled dissonance, fuck buttons, growing, thurston moore, Istituzioni Ambienti Naturalismo / Lolita Vibrator Torture, whistletips, cash slave clique

more discussion of atlas sound plz

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

HOTOTOGISU people

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

also great: the north sea, satellite clouds, starving weirdos

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

In what issue will The Wire publish their list?

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

traditionally, it's the december issue, i think

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

The old Stylus staff should compile one for old time's sake and put it on the site. When ILM does one, we should expand entries to 20 albums to keep it interesting.

The best lists usually turn me on to albums I missed. Cokemachineglow, Brainwashed, Silent Ballet and The Wire are good for that.

Looks like Kanye West and Killers will be underrepresented when they normally would likely rule the mainstream lists.

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

Some favorite noise and avant records of 2008:

zdzislaw pierik / piotr zabrodzki - namanga
william parker - double sunrise over neptune
li jianhong - san sheng shi
sean mccann - flutter oasis
astro echo the echo from the purple dawn
datashock & shivers - vol IV
nasa - bummer daze
natural snow buildings - laurie bird

Moka, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

is that Tape, as in the Häpna artist? i didn't know they even had anything new out.

pshrbrn, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

can you tell me about natural snow buildings?

forgot: neptune, "gong lake" (though it took me a while to "get" that one)

Beatrix Kiddo, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

Whoah, didn't know about a new Tape record either! (and by the looks of it, it has been out for what, eight months? crazy!)

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think the problem everyone is having this year is that there hasnt been a definitive album which both mainstream and critics may agree on like say 'In Rainbows' or 'Person Pitch' last year. It hasn't been a very good year for pop or mainstream.

I still haven't ranked them as I don't have a favorite one but this are the records I listened to the most this year:


Jacaszek - Treny
Bruno Pronsato - Why Cant We Be Like Us
Clark - Turning Dragon
Shed - Shedding the past
Grouper - Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill
Zdzislaw Piernik & Piotr Zabrodzki - Namanga
Paavoharju - Laulu Laakson Kukista
Scott Tuma - Not for Nobody
Tape - Luminarium
Death Vessel - Nothing is good enough for us
Air France - No Way Down Ep
Four Tet - Ringer Ep

Also amidst a love/hate season with Lykke Li and Fleet Foxes. There's many things on both I like but I just cant seem to listen to the full album straight... they're very homogenic.

Moka, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

@Beatrix: Natural Snow Buildings released seven (!) albums this year. It seems the most popular is 'Laurie Bird' wouldnt know about the rest since I've only listened 'Sung to the North' and it's decent. The opening track on Laurie Bird (46 minutes long) is a hell of a trip, the other two tracks are ok.

Moka, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

For some reason people keep namedropping Vampire Weekend on Natural Snow Buildings reviews, when I can't hear any musical connection between them, anybody knows if they share a member or come from the same place or something?

Moka, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

no, natural snow buildings are french, and are really just two people. As far as I can tell there is absolutely not connection, musically or otherwise. people are crazy.

askance johnson, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 19:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

Actually all I've read over and over is 'Better than Vampire Weekend'... I suppose it's some sort of joke then.

Moka, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 20:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think the problem everyone is having this year is that there hasnt been a definitive album which both mainstream and critics may agree on like say 'In Rainbows' or 'Person Pitch' last year. It hasn't been a very good year for pop or mainstream.

Only someone with Paavoharju on their list would say that Person Pitch had mainstream resonance.

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 20:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

^ Wasn't it a global lovefest after pitchfork named it album of the year? I suppose I'm more forlorn than I thought I was :(

Are you dissing on Paavoharju?

Moka, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 20:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

Whiney's just does a victory dance anytime he finds someone indier than him.

dumb pseud (some dude), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 20:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't it a global lovefest after pitchfork named it album of the year?

Maybe on some indie-leaning message boards, but I don't think Rolling Stone readers know Panda Bear from Grizzly Bear because of that. Also, Paavoharju's all right.

Whiney's just does a victory dance anytime he finds someone indier than him.

some dude and the art of feigned ignorance.

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 20:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

I wasn't making fun of his choices, I was just saying his thinking that blog-hyped indie rock bands having some sort of mainstream push may be because he dwells so intensely in deep cuts.

i'm whine btw (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 25 November 2008 20:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

Only someone with Paavoharju on their list would say that Person Pitch had mainstream resonance.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. I thought maybe he meant to say Sound of Silver.

jaymc, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 20:26 (6 years ago) Permalink


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