Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

also i think gucci would've sued him for stealing a chorus

they definitely could've made the Ross verse on "Devil" feel less tacked on, there's kind of a pause and it feels like the song's ending and then he just shows up

yea plus it's weird to hear ross over a soul beat imo. idk im not a huge rick ross fan tbqh

there have been plenty of soul beats on Ross albums, even a Bink production

ross' last couple albums have been like 75% soul beats?

definitely my favourite kanye west album, with the caveat that i have never really liked kanye west as a rapper, so i'm not as concerned abt whether he dropped off or not because its always just been ignoreable & occasionally lol to me. and perhaps more importantly have never cared enough to listen to any of the earlier albums around the time they came out, besides 808s (which is my 2nd favourite).

anyway this album is just so hilarious and relentlessly entertaining. he is so dedicated to making everything really BIG and dramatic and then he deflates it all with like, "i sent this girl a picture of my di-ick." just the melodies and arrangements make me laugh. i think i might like the 30 film even better cause fuck a lot of these guest verses. feel like a lot of the more negative criticisms are coming from people who have taken him seriously at some point in time but he's always been a huge clown and cornball to me, & this is just the ultimate expression of all of his excesses

i guess, man. i mean even when i 'took him seriously' it was as an artist who had a lot of humor (intentional and otherwise) in his music. i think as his puns have gotten more eyerolling i laugh more at him than with him, though.

i guess also it is debatable whether i am being an ironic fuck or not, but i really do get tonnes of pleasure and entertainment out of this, the humour is inextricably woven into the goodness. i guess i prefer laughing at him, though

rick ross verse may be my fav verse on the whole album

yeah that rick ross verse is killer. who's ghostwriting for him now? also it's lol considering how shitty the one on 'monster' is

do kanye beats get mixtaped a lot? would love to hear other rappers freestyle on em

some songs more than others, but yeah, totally. not sure what ones on this album are gonna get remixed a lot besides "Monster" and "Power" and "So Appalled," though.

I always lol at the clean version of "Monster" turning Rick Ross' "FAT MOTHERFUCKER" into "FAT Fat fat fat..."

yes that's excellent

so does anybody see kanye charting any of these songs in the top 10?

Yes.

which ones?

OK i never sat down and listened to the studio version of "Runaway" til just now and hooooly shit is it a turd. do people like this? obviously the album's success is a foregone conclusion, but i feel like if this is his big shot at a pop hit, this is going to be Kanye's first album that doesn't contain a #1 hit.

― some dude, Monday, October 25, 2010 6:08 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i'm standing by this prediction in light of hearing the rest of the album and "All of the Lights" being the new single. obviously the album's gonna be huge but I don't see it landing an across the board "Gold Digger"-type hit or even having a solid moderate hit like "Touch The Sky" or "Flashing Lights" on the radio 6 months after the album's been out.

i mean "Runaway" and/or "Monster" and/or "Lights" could definitely scrape the top 10, but not as big chart mainstays.

I had an interesting long chat with one of our students today who says 808's and Heartaches is his favorite Kanye album; it got him "through some hard times." He listened to it obsessively in 2009. I suspect it will always be the On Second Thought album.

This one, meanwhile, is just a chore to listen to.

*Heartbreak obv

i mean "Runaway" and/or "Monster" and/or "Lights" could definitely scrape the top 10, but not as big chart mainstays.

― some dude, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:11 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark

well "runaway" & "monster" already did scrape the top 10 albeit for one week, pretty much off digital sales

so u otm

yeah for real...i think my listen to it this morning had a certain "ok, time to clean the cat box" air about it. xpost

tbh I'm listening to it now because it's cued after Teena Marie's Emerald City.

this will likely be in my top 10 against all odds

where were Graduation and 808s on your lists?

808s was top 5 for me -- graduation was somewhere in the 15-20 range

"Runaway"'s Hot 100 peak so far is #18 and "Monster"'s is #18, and that was a while ago, both are outside the top 40 now (xpost)

wiki has "runaway" peaking at 12

yeah meant to say 12, typo :(

"Runaway" IS an airplay gainer this week, but still that shit is not popping off.

Listening to "All of the Lights" now, my interest started to wane by the 3:20 mark, and there's still almost two minutes of song left. The crypto-jungle beat, horn section, endlessly repeated chorus -- it's like, ENOUGH.

yeah I checked the wiki pages before asking if this album would have any top 10

is the Fergie rap before or after 3:20? that's my favorite part.

This one, meanwhile, is just a chore to listen to.

― otherwise, and twat (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:12 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

this puts my problem w/ the new record and huge swathes of graduation in a succinct way. I was going to say that they are just tiring to listen to. like yes, they sound great, there are some great hooks, but it's like sonic overload or something? like I can barely listen to 'the good life' anymore because it sounds just so... maximalist. it's hard to describe, there are plenty of great records that sound maximalist but aim at other things. whereas this album seems calculated to sound huge but not much else.

Yeah, see, "Good Life" is good-opulent. Graduation is my go-to Kanye for a victory lap.

Graduation is my go-to Kanye for a victory lap.

― otherwise, and twat (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:41 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark

& this is why it's his least interesting album/album with the least number of great songs

^ My feeling about 808s.

yeah but 808's isn't "a victory lap"

Not to me, but it depends who you talk to. I mean, for some people I know it's the culmination of Kanye's ambitions.

i mean, i would agree that 'graduation' is a victory lap -- but i would disagree w/ the idea that a culmination of ambitions = a victory lap

al: 808s didn't have a #1 hit

ah yeah, i was misremembering that "Love Lockdown" spent a week at #1 or something. still, "Heartless" was pretty ubiquitous, probably woulda got to #1 if not for "Single Ladies".

yeah, true

yeah "heartless" was all over the radio iirc

This ablum is amaxing

so is this album going to flop*? hope it does so after he makes his next album a 'oh no i flopped, f u all you just want pop hits' album, the one after it could be dope.

*in terms of kanye obv.

it's gonna sell more first week than 808s, i'm pretty sure

shame.

just wiki'd it and 808 broke a million - surely this won't. can't see it doing 750k