Kanye West - Dark Twisted Fantasy

"abomination of obama's nation"

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I think some of these songs are the equivalent of bacon wrapped corn dogs deep fried in butter w/ french fries stapled to the sides. they sound really good but are exhausting to listen to. think runaway works so well because the arrangement is relatively spare & simple.

so what you're saying is all the songs should be 9 minutes long

the single version of runaway I downloaded a month ago is much better than the album version

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the lebron of rhyme

^^i think this makes waaaaaay more sense than kanye realizes

i'd put "devil in a new dress" up w/ the top 10 songs off all his albums

where is the nabisco review btw, couldn't see it on pf

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/11/filthy_rich_kanye_wests_royal.html

cheers

kanye really is the worst lyricist working in rap today

nah -- even in his sphere of super popular pop stars, he's a much better lyricist right now than wayne or drake

& lyrics are much more important to the success of the music of both of those two

I judge kanye differently; he wants to make world changing music but his rapping is just...

I mean drake and weezy are just tryna have a good time you know

i'm not gonna reward laziness

so appalled, spalding ball

i'm not gonna defend "so appalled"

nor am i gonna defend kanye's lyrics, altho he's better on this album than i previous thought and/or anticipated

but i will defend him vs the lyrics of lil wayne & drake

i mean do you really want me to start posting lil wayne lyrics in here cuz his whole career since the carter III has been "so appalled, spalding ball"

just feel there's a massive disconnect between the gravitas of kanyes production and the lyrics

gonna invent a new genre to categorize this album: prog rap

i don't disagree xp

also, I dunno, kanyes delivery just makes me feel he's self consciously clever and impressed with himself
over his shitty puns

You mean like in Gorgeous?

'cause those same people trying to blackball me/forgot about two things/my black bals

that line is dope tho

'cause those same people trying to leak nude photos of me/forgot about two things/my black balls

just feel there's a massive disconnect between the gravitas of kanyes production and the lyrics

otm, and his delivery.

yeah the way he leans into his worst lines and shouts them is a lot of what makes him such a worse rapper than even he was a few years ago imo. most of these songs have like 8 solid inspired bars and then he just gets lazy and starts spitting garbage for the rest of the song. he should just go all the way Diddy with it and get ghostwriters.

soon rick ross is gonna be writing every major label rap album

i really prefer devil in a new dress w/o the rick ross verse

that's insane, his verse is really incredible imo

"chain heavy" is kind of unnecessary esp w/ kweli & consequence verses, but it's pretty much worth it just for "i'm the day that ice cube met michael jackson"

also i think gucci would've sued him for stealing a chorus

they definitely could've made the Ross verse on "Devil" feel less tacked on, there's kind of a pause and it feels like the song's ending and then he just shows up

yea plus it's weird to hear ross over a soul beat imo. idk im not a huge rick ross fan tbqh

there have been plenty of soul beats on Ross albums, even a Bink production

ross' last couple albums have been like 75% soul beats?

definitely my favourite kanye west album, with the caveat that i have never really liked kanye west as a rapper, so i'm not as concerned abt whether he dropped off or not because its always just been ignoreable & occasionally lol to me. and perhaps more importantly have never cared enough to listen to any of the earlier albums around the time they came out, besides 808s (which is my 2nd favourite).

anyway this album is just so hilarious and relentlessly entertaining. he is so dedicated to making everything really BIG and dramatic and then he deflates it all with like, "i sent this girl a picture of my di-ick." just the melodies and arrangements make me laugh. i think i might like the 30 film even better cause fuck a lot of these guest verses. feel like a lot of the more negative criticisms are coming from people who have taken him seriously at some point in time but he's always been a huge clown and cornball to me, & this is just the ultimate expression of all of his excesses

i guess, man. i mean even when i 'took him seriously' it was as an artist who had a lot of humor (intentional and otherwise) in his music. i think as his puns have gotten more eyerolling i laugh more at him than with him, though.

i guess also it is debatable whether i am being an ironic fuck or not, but i really do get tonnes of pleasure and entertainment out of this, the humour is inextricably woven into the goodness. i guess i prefer laughing at him, though

rick ross verse may be my fav verse on the whole album

yeah that rick ross verse is killer. who's ghostwriting for him now? also it's lol considering how shitty the one on 'monster' is

do kanye beats get mixtaped a lot? would love to hear other rappers freestyle on em

some songs more than others, but yeah, totally. not sure what ones on this album are gonna get remixed a lot besides "Monster" and "Power" and "So Appalled," though.

I always lol at the clean version of "Monster" turning Rick Ross' "FAT MOTHERFUCKER" into "FAT Fat fat fat..."

yes that's excellent

so does anybody see kanye charting any of these songs in the top 10?

Yes.

which ones?

OK i never sat down and listened to the studio version of "Runaway" til just now and hooooly shit is it a turd. do people like this? obviously the album's success is a foregone conclusion, but i feel like if this is his big shot at a pop hit, this is going to be Kanye's first album that doesn't contain a #1 hit.

― some dude, Monday, October 25, 2010 6:08 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i'm standing by this prediction in light of hearing the rest of the album and "All of the Lights" being the new single. obviously the album's gonna be huge but I don't see it landing an across the board "Gold Digger"-type hit or even having a solid moderate hit like "Touch The Sky" or "Flashing Lights" on the radio 6 months after the album's been out.

i mean "Runaway" and/or "Monster" and/or "Lights" could definitely scrape the top 10, but not as big chart mainstays.

I had an interesting long chat with one of our students today who says 808's and Heartaches is his favorite Kanye album; it got him "through some hard times." He listened to it obsessively in 2009. I suspect it will always be the On Second Thought album.

This one, meanwhile, is just a chore to listen to.