Is this anti-semitism?

I really don't recall another filmmaker returning again and again to contemplation of the Holocaust in the way Godard has.

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 2:54 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

ah, 'contemplation'. not really sure what to make of the strand in late godard, about the failure of hollywood bosses to 'film' and thereby prevent the holocaust. sounds like pretty typical godardian pseudo-intellectual bullshit to me. making 'night train to munich' and 'contraband' did not stop the battle of britain. but either way, godard is not much of an historian.

Modish mid twentieth century anti-semitism, Ezra Pound style.

― sandra lee, gimme your alcohol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 3, 2010 2:33 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

'modish'? among whom? kind of sure that becoming il duce's hypeman wasn't widely regarded as an intelligent move. obviously a lot of lit crit has been about trying to rescue the reputations of the likes of pound.

come on DG he only drugraped *one* child

like you've never made a single mistake in your life

well apparently he created the board you're posting on

true :(

sad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11960291

i have a 9-year old daughter attending a jewish parochial school (in coral gables (fla), not the uk). security is a constant concern. stories like this break my heart.

"Faith schools make a fantastic contribution to our education system and none more so than Jewish faith schools," Education Secretary Michael Gove said.

this was already happening, just now the govt takes the bill (which they ought to have done already) and of course it allows for such soundbites in support of the cross party consensus on 'faith schools'

the statistics cited there don't look good but i've never heard of a jewish school being attacked....you'd think the threat would be to kids going to/from school

it's sad that these concerns exist whether the govt foots the security bill or not

I remember when I was growing up we often had security guards posted at the Jewish day school. It's kinda terrifying when you're a kid.

The Jewish Free School in Camden Town always had security guards when I was a kid, and stepped it up pretty hard in 2001. They moved wayyy out of town soon after - still in London but, like, zone 4 - and ppl speculated that it was partly so they could build a more defensible school. (NB this was not the stated reason, which was more to do w/ the Jewish population of London living further north nowadays.)

I remember when I was growing up we often had security guards posted at the Jewish day school. It's kinda terrifying when you're a kid.

― Mordy, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:24 (38 seconds ago)

this is why i wonder if it's a good thing....frightens the kids, inculcates a siege mentality at an impressionable age

i'd guess some of these schools have received threats from some bedroom jihadi types and ppl are understandably scared to death, so it has to be done

nonetheless i'd caution against thinking the uk is a few steps from kristallnacht (as alleged in an inflammatory documentary by racist troll richard littlejohn a few years ago)

it's not 1933 but i think you are being very glib

I don't think I could ever feel comfortable living in the UK because of historical anti-Semitism, even tho I'm sure it's much much better there today than say in 1190. Maybe because of a siege mentality.

things have improved a bit in 820 years to be fair

I don't think I could ever feel comfortable living in the UK because of historical bubonic plague tbh

Also not forgiven anybody for the Peasant's Revolt.

cautioning against glibness

these security concerns are nothing new, and probably won't go away any time soon

it's dreadful but the same concerns exist in france, america, etc

idk, on that logic i wouldn't want to be black in america

xposts to mordy

me neither!

these security concerns are nothing new, and probably won't go away any time soon

it's dreadful but the same concerns exist in france, america, etc

― nakhchivan, Thursday, December 9, 2010 5:47 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark

well, they're a little bit new. anti-semitic violence has gone up in the last decade.

holding up france as an example is not really going to clinch you much in an argument about anti-semitism!

xpost lol

I swear that the Synagogue in Hull which was in a fairly rough part of the city that I used to live in had a security guard outside when there were meetings. This was in the early 90s in what was an unusually white city for the UK at the time. Never knew why the guy was there tho.

Actually there were probably NF-type fuckwits around capable of violence.

I don't think I could ever feel comfortable living in the UK because of historical anti-Semitism

yeah little hugh of lincoln was a while back

there probably is more of a mild antisemitism at all levels of society than in america, but off-colour remarks about israel is a separate issue to threats of violence, which are almost certain to be from either jihadists or nazis, both rather peripheral groups in england because of our historical antinaziism and antijihadism

holding up france as an example is not really going to clinch you much in an argument about anti-semitism!

example cuz those are the two other western countries with big jewish populations, tho yes things are worse in paris than new york

off-colour remarks about israel is a separate issue to threats of violence, which are almost certain to be from either jihadists or nazis

i wouldn't say so, and i don't think all the anti-semitic graffiti during the gaza war was from jihadis, exactly

I almost never encounter British people who dislike Jews. Do these British anti-Semites never leave the UK except in published form?

I think the US has tons of passive anti-Semitism, not like hate but a lack of familiarity with or appreciation for Jews.

idk, on that logic i wouldn't want to be black in america

xposts to mordy

― man dem coalition (history mayne), Thursday, December 9, 2010 12:47 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

me neither!

― Mordy, Thursday, December 9, 2010 12:48 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

charming

i wouldn't say so, and i don't think all the anti-semitic graffiti during the gaza war was from jihadis, exactly

― man dem coalition (history mayne), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:55 (3 seconds ago)

that falls somewhere between those categories then

i don't think jewish schools are under threat from militant trots but yr welcome to cite relevant evidence

Quite a bit of coded anti-Semitism from a certain kind of conservative upper middle class dude *COUGH*richardingrams*COUGH*. Quite a bit of kneejerk anti-Semitism from the lumpenleft/same dudes who specialise in kneejerk anti-Americanism, filters thru all levels of society tbh

nv otm

but off-colour remarks about israel

pretty certain security guards aren't there to protect against fashionable 'progressive' opinions

That Dawkins geezer can get pretty tasty when he's had a few.

that's what's nakh's saying i think

xpost

was agreeing with you mr HM

I know I'll probably piss someone off here but I hate it when Americans with no ties to the middle east just spout off about Israel with this vague criticism of American Jews. I am not Jewish but sometimes I get the vibe that some people don't feel comfortable around Jews or maybe don't trust them. This seems illiterate and un-American to me, it is shocking to encounter, but I have encountered it from people who are not racist activists or "Zioni$m" nutcases.

Jews have no future in Holland'

By Michel Zlotowski, December 9, 2010

Due to the growing hostility ofa large part of Holland's Muslim population, Dutch Jews should emigrate to the United States or to Israel, said Frits Bolkestein, former European Commissioner and ex-leader of Holland's ruling right-wing VVD party.

The statement appeared in the book Het Verval (The Decline), written by Manfred Gerstenfeld, a Netherlands-born Holocaust survivor and senior researcher at the Jerusalem Centre for Public Affairs.

The book, published last week, examines the attitude of the Dutch Protestant Church towards Jews and argues that antisemitism is not restricted to people of Muslim background in the Netherlands.

pretty sure it's the dutch police that run a force of, er, 'decoy jews', ie cops dressed in orthodox attire in order to bait racists

also, this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00c342p

I think the US has tons of passive anti-Semitism, not like hate but a lack of familiarity with or appreciation for Jews.

There are lots of places in the US where those who live there have possibly never met a Jewish person in their lives. So the whole "lack of familiarity with or appreciation for" is kind of a given?

i dunno enough about the netherlands but i dread hearing such 'no future' rhetoric directed at/coming from british jews

at a certain point u gotta cut your losses.....but i don't think a few jihadi degenerates have made things that bad

of course the education of young muslims is a wider issue, and isn't helped by our lack of any apparent foreign policy goals not sourced from washington (i digress)

oh yeah i personally wouldn't subscribe to any 'no future' rhetoric, not least because i enjoy aggro, but i do think it is seriously worthy of concern as to how blithely people disregard overt displays of hatred or seek to hold all jews accountable for israel etc

again i still think you gotta think of violence/threats separately from left/liberal 'intellectual' antisemitism.....even if they have a cumulative effect

most ppl don't care about israel one way or the other

admittedly i don't associate with a lot of leftists but i'd be fairly confident that someone who srsly suggested israeli state policy was an issue about jews in general would be told to stfu in most circles

again i still think you gotta think of violence/threats separately from left/liberal 'intellectual' antisemitism.....even if they have a cumulative effect

i think they're both worthy of concern tbqh

i'd be fairly confident that someone who srsly suggested israeli state policy was an issue about jews in general would be told to stfu in most circles

i wouldn't

admittedly i don't associate with a lot of leftists

this is all going in your file

i think they're both worthy of concern tbqh

did i say otherwise

i wouldn't

ha i had second thoughts about that after posting

if ppl don't object to rhetoric like that, it's more likely cuz they are being timid/nonconfrontational/english than cuz they share it

anything to avoid an upset etc

only reason i joined combat 18 tbh, the awkward pause after i was invited was killing me

will ye have a cup of nuremberg tea

anything to avoid an upset etc

really wish i had yr faith