ILM's Best Shoegaze / Dream Pop / Post-rock TRACKS poll - RESULTS THREAD

If that cello *is* out of tune, it can't be by much.

Too much MBV coming up for this to be terribly surprising.

OS, S or YMMR for the win? Or will it be an upset victory?

.. And honestly I wouldn't have minded seeing it win overall, being that it is the origin point for the entire genre an all.

― so imagen what we can do with the rest of our brain...right buddy's?? (Pillbox)

Yes, precisely!

All the drums on every Ride track are fabulous, really

yup

Next song is... a weird surprise. Or not so much considering it's an ILM poll.

Forgot OS - three MBV, either one or two Ride, and one or no Verve I reckon.

The drummer in Ride was a monster. He carried that band quite a bit.

So anyone wants to take a guess on the next one?

IF there are only three MBV tracks, what will the others be? Any non-MBV power hitters still unaccounted for?

Iceblink Luck

Dreams Burn Down?

did that place already?

Lorelei?

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5. The Cure - Plainsong (9 votes, 318 points)
Disintegration (1989)
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It’s as goth as hell, yeah, but RS at least will always be remembered by me for introducing Ride to mainstream BBC Radio 1 – The Cure headlined a gig for the station and invited Ride along. I adored sitting listening to Ride on afternoon radio. I can still picture myself doing it. Er, sorry this bit about The Cure turns into something about Ride. But this Cure song is wonderful also. Shoegaze? Maybe

- kraudive.

Shoegaze? If anything it's dreampop.

Hmmmmmm

Lack of Swirlies is really disappointing.

xpost: only two weak support votes for 'sarah sitting' which was the only Swirlies nom.

The Cure are a genre unto themselves & should not be squatting on such valuable real estate.

Haha. Even though I might agree with you, let's not go there.

Hm, yeah, that is a surprise. Not particularly pissed off about it or anything, but it's sort of what I meant about big names pushing off purer acts.

iirc there weren't that many Swirlies tracks nominated. Had it been there, I would have voted for Tall Ships.

Oops forgot to post kraudive's blurb on 'to here knows when'.

My Bloody Valentine - To Here Knows When: Just like nothing else. I remember when this hit the Top 40 singles chart – the bland, plastic Bruno Brookes used to present each track as it appeared from the ever secretive chart machine that I would have been so in awe of only 2 years prior. That week Brookes was away so Alan “Fluff” Freeman did the honours. Did that old man sound confused when he played this. Is this the strangest record to chart the UK 40?

- kraudive.

An American "shoegaze" poll would be great. Then we would see Swirlies, Velocity Girl and Lorelei in there.

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4. My Bloody Valentine - Only Shallow (14 votes, 365 points)
Loveless (1991)
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Ooh, I really thought that one might be the winner.

Too Low

Whoa, that's low. I thought that would be #1

Quit fooling yourselves. You all know what the number 1 will be.

Could Ride steal the throne from MBV?

The JAMC is debatable but understandable, given that their career totally had an overlap with shoegaze, and the lack of "dronerock" being included in the poll, even though most of us have an understanding of these two things intertwining quite heavily. It's just weird to me that it's the early non-shoegaze JAMC stuff that is placing, rather than the later, *actual* shoegaze (I mean, Honey's Dead is a shoegaze album, end of) which belongs here.

The Stone Roses, however, simply does not belong here, at all. And even though yeah, you can say that the baggy *beat* got used on a lot of early shoegaze stuff of the time - the thing is, lots of the shoegazers are documented fans of and influenced by rave music (Kevin Shields, Mark Gardener, Chapterhouse, everyone who got an Andrew Weatherall remix all on record as being massively influenced by it, and that is the actual source of that beat - a rock drummer trying to do a "funky drummer" loop drumbeat from Rave) but if a track by The Shamen or Aphex Twin turned up on a "shoegaze" poll, people would be understandably put out.

I guess it was just the two tracks coming so close together, so high that really put me out, given how much more canonical shoegaze placed so low.

Like, say we did a 100 Best Post-Punk tracks poll. The boundaries between punk and post-punk are nebulous, and a lot of bands straddled the divide. But if See No Evil by Television placed at 19 and I Wanna Be Your Dog placed at 20, while your more canonical Joy Division and Magazine placed below the 50 mark, that would be something to complain about. Because sure, See No Evil was arguably a *huge* influence on Post-Punk (maybe it was more of an influence on post-punk than on contemporary punk!) but Television were from the mid 70s, they played at CBGBs they toured with first generation punk bands - they are *not* a post-punk band, no matter how much of a straight-up banger See No Evil is, and whether I like it more than I like anything by Wire. And putting The Stooges in a post-punk poll would just be anachronistic and wrong, they weren't even punk, they were Garage Rock or proto-punk, but certainly not post-punk.

It's not genre purism, it's "don't call the father of X the son of X, get things in the right order!" Fuck historical ignorance and retroactive redefinitions imo.

I'm not even gonna SPEAK about that Cure track there, I'm going to shut my eyes and pretend it's a typo for SEEFEEL - PLAINSONG and that's the end of it.

Folks - not everything can be too low

Number 1 has got to be Soon in that case.

the Cure deserve that spot 100%

Bwahaha. "Plainsong" was were I went "Not sure I would have nominated it, but in the context of this list of songs how can I not give it a few points?!"

Ah, "Only Shallow". My thinking was "Well, it'll probably win regardless - "Cupid Come" is more in need of my help." :)

there would not be shoegaze without the cure

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3. My Bloody Valentine - You Made Me Realise (14 votes, 406 points)
You Made Me Realise EP (1988)
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>Number 1 has got to be Soon in that case.

I hope so

TOO LOW!

zzz MBV waaay overrated IMO

There wouldn't be shoegaze without the Velvet Underground, either, but I don't see them belonging on this poll any more than the Cure.

Slowdive et al sound more like the Cure than they sound like MBV (or the Velvet Underground).

lol I voted for "I Wanna Be Adored"and "Plainsong" but Wheal Dream OTM

find myself strangely disappointed in the lack of lush in the top 20!

We have already established that Slowdive are worse than Hitler. ;-)

Since my pick for #1 is #4, I'm rooting for Ride as underdogs

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#1

nah, 'Ebeneezer Goode' for #1

find myself strangely disappointed in the lack of lush in the top 20!

― charlie h,

Sweetness and light at #15

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2. Ride - Dreams Burn Down (14 votes, 412 points)
Nowhere (1990)
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The DRUMS. The whole things hangs together like crystal wires; Loz smashes it apart with every beat.

- Ismael Klata.

“She’s effortlessly cool” haunted me as a teenager. I got her though, you’ll be pleased to know.

- kraudive.