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not hateful != likable

the things she does are no more morally dubious than what, i dunno, jessica simpson or mariah carey or j-lo or britney have been said to have done - so i don't understand why people who aren't repulsed by them are repulsed by paris. it doesn't mean any of them are nice AND I WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO BE

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahahahahaha!

"I don't see why people loathe her and they don't loathe (list of pop starlets that people often say they loathe)!"

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

right, everyone is being deliberately fucking obtuse on this thread and i don't have the time for it. i'm going to go and continue to laugh from afar at the more amusing plan b forum thread.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

(Speaking of which, what has Mariah done besides working herself into a coma and being crazy? I'm genuinely curious.)

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Lex has a fetish for ridiculous female pop stars who make songs that he can against all the odds take seriously. The more you all insult Paris the more he will dig his heels in. I recognise this trait because myself and some of my IRL friends share it, to a certain extent.

I wonder if Lex is pooh-poohing Britney because she has been partially rehabilitated ("you know, "Toxic" is a really great song!).

Dan, Mariah didn't do stairs.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

It's also totally not what people really expected her single to sound like

I think this is an important point - when those false-leaks were going around there seemed to be a lot of excitement over that Sweetbox song, "human sacrifice", which is strong/brash/angry (vulgar?), one set of paris-attributes; instead we ended up with this insipid, sweet, languid thing, which also fits the 'paris' image but from a completely different direction.

stop moving. (cis), Thursday, 24 August 2006 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

it's true that lex's review crashed the lollercopter right into the heart of plan b's idiot forums.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

apparently the video has been banned in India.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

rockists.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Racists, morelike.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

The wretchedness of the Plan B forum makes me want to go back in time and become a school bully

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i've written for it and everything but what do you expect? it's the indie-est zine out there!

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

The wretchedness of the Plan B forum makes me want to go back in time and become a school bully

haha otm.

what i find sad is that plan b didn't have to be so indie, and it never set out to be (ffs KELIS was the planned cover star for issue 1, and only got pulled because she doesn't do photoshoots), but bejesus the demographic it appeals to now is beyond words.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

the forum is quite something. next time someone complains about strawman arguments here they should take a peek -- people who really say things like "i hate rap music, except for 'hey ya!'".

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

ages and ages ago there was a thread on estelle, and some of the responses were ACTUALLY "urgh i can't stand those rappers who don't speak properly"!!!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

but Eamon DID suck!

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

frankee didn't though.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

manhataz r us

Konal Doddz (blueski), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

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bad hair day house (fandango), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

indie html execution...

bad hair day house (fandango), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

here is a sensible person:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1572890,00.html

Is this sarcasm? I didn't read a single sensible sentence in that whole article.

nameom (nameom), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

lmaooooooo @ ^^^ hehehe sometimes i hate the observer lol most of the times its great :D

Rudy Katoch (rudykatoch), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the album from start to finish, though it does blah out somewhat on the final three tracks. In relation to its musical neighborhood it beats the recent Pink and the Platinum Weird, and at least is more consistent than and probably beats the Veronicas. It doesn't beat last year's Lohans or last year's Duff but is more consistent than those three, as well. (And doesn't come close to the Kelly Clarkson, which itself doesn't come close to the Ashlee albums, but let's not go off on a tangent here. The Aly & AJ is still a subject for further evaluation; haven't heard the Chris Brown; and 'cause Storch is producing, am for once curious about the new Janet Jackson though I've always found her music disengagingly blasé.) Curiously, given the way the discussion on this thread has gone, my feelings towards the Paris album aren't directed towards the singer as a persona/personality, just as my feelings towards t.A.T.u. aren't directed towards those two Russian girls and my feelings towards Boney M aren't directed towards Liz Mitchell. And I love t.A.T.u. and Boney M. Oddly enough, though I am moved incredibly by Diana Ross songs such as "Love Hangover" and "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" and "Swept Away," once again I'm not focusing those feelings on a personality or persona. This doesn't mean that I think Ross et al. have no input into their music, or that I don't hear a human voice in their singing, of for that matter that I don't have feelings and opinions about Ross et al. from what I know of their personalities/personas. Just that the feelings engendered by the music don't take the form of feelings towards a personality. (And of course this is very much the opposite of what goes on with me in regard to Ashlee, Kelly, and Lindsay. And damned if I know where I am with Hilary. She's a cipher, but that doesn't mean that my feelings aren't in search of some sort of personality there.)

I can't say that I've a good idea why in some instances I hear a personality to take in my feelings and in others I don't.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 25 August 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

(Does anyone have a song-by-song producers list for the album? Allmusic.com specifies songwriters but not producers.)

Stephen Thomas Erlewine:

They come up with a sound that's casually modern and retro with enough heft in its rhythms to sound good at clubs, yet it's designed to be heard outdoors on the sunniest day of the summer. This is exceedingly light music, as sweet and bubbly as a wine spritzer, yet it isn't so frothy that it floats away.

Erlewine is a frog on a bump on a log, and I often think he's wrong, but he's a good critic, because he's willing to be surprised by albums and because he tries to be as articulate as possible about why he likes or dislikes something. In any event, I don't hear Paris the way Erlewine does. It's "light" in the sense of being unassuming and not coming across as trying to communicate anything weighty. But the actual sound is rather thick, layers of overdubbed vocals finding their way to choruses that often enough contain guitar chord upon guitar chord, the dense beauty of the vocals buried headfirst in the guitar thicket. The consistency I spoke of isn't just quality but timbre, different producers using the same strategies (maybe following Hilton's instruction). I don't know another album that has quite this sound. Paris's voice is itself unifying, something of a fuzzy uninflected hum from back in the throat. Compare the Gottwald-written "Nothing In This World" to the Veronicas' Gottwald-written "Everything I'm Not." On "Everything" the singers are up there in the bright high pitch, working you over with ingratiating come-hither/fuck-off vocals. Whereas in "Nothing"'s pretty harmony section, Paris stays down in her comfy burr, relaxing. Not as arresting as the Veronicas, but not as irritating, either.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

HAHA the losers on the plan b forum are going nuts cos my review* is on the plan b front page!

i'm not surprised, really, since you don't actually say much about the album you simply slag people off for not liking pop then call the readers losers (not just here but in the review itself). the worst thing they do is rise to the bait.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know which one's Paris Hilton and which one's Lily Allen any more.

Scourage (Haberdager), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Paris Hilton is the one who isn't ugly.

jimnaseum - formalist rigour! (jimnaseum), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

But her music is worse.

jimnaseum - formalist rigour! (jimnaseum), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

is it a ub40 cover or not? i only just realised that xtina meant christina. i've being saying ex tina the whole time. Paris what?

FACEBRACE (FACEBRACE), Friday, 25 August 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i didn't read the whole thread so i don't know if this has been linked but here's a really sensible person:

http://apawboy.blogspot.com/2006/08/stars-are-blind-i-actually-think-this.html

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 26 August 2006 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

That's a great post!

Banarama's "Love In The First Degree" just came on TV and I was inexplicably reminded of "Stars Are Blind".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 26 August 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Best part of the song is the POETRY, man: "Even though the gods are crazy/Even though the stars are blind."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 26 August 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

thats hot

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 27 August 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link

exactly

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 27 August 2006 00:23 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah! well you've also got "suicide" as merely "stupid pride", a somewhat hardline xtian sentiment which that indeed daring pantheism x astrology "gods are crazy / stars are blind" double whammy immediately vexes. and then yr everyday manichaean "be the devil and angel too" chaser. paris milton more like.

rtccc (mwah), Sunday, 27 August 2006 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

This is easily the Album of the Year. Even the Rod Steward cover is appealing.

Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Monday, 28 August 2006 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

You want to like it because you think you're not supposed to.

The single should have been called "Stars Are Bland."

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, I just listened to 3 songs. It sounds like they're doing a gimmick where every song sounds like other previous hit songs from the past 5 years. So yeah, obviously every song could be a Top 40 hit.. How that makes this album of the year is beyond me.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Monday, 28 August 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link

lex is wrong about just about everything on this thread EXCEPT when he says "not leaving without you" is AMAZING, because it is.

anybody who like jacques lu cont should check it out.

oh yeah, i like the album too, though i like the rock/disco side of the album a whole lot better than the "club banger" side.

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Monday, 28 August 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

how well did this record sell on it's first week of release?

anonymous celebrity (anonymous celebrity), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

It charted below both Slayer and the Young Knives in the UK.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 28 August 2006 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

only one of the albums concerned has been raved about by john harris.

pscott (elwisty), Monday, 28 August 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The album is classic for inspiring Zemko's "Paris Milton more like" post upthread which is the greatest post in the history of ever.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 28 August 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

the jadakiss verse is very funny.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 28 August 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.popjustice.com/images/stories//p/parisbanksy.jpg

oh Banksy you wag

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

People were laughing at the album in TCR Fopp on Friday evening.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link

lol banksy hating on people who are famous for just showing up.

a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:20 (seventeen years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5310416.stm

Obviously you mean this version, xpost? Or where they just having a 'laugh at the CD' party?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 4 September 2006 10:34 (seventeen years ago) link

The latter.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 4 September 2006 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link


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