Took me a while to notice the banjos in 'Story of Us'.
― abcfsk, Saturday, 23 October 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
they think people outside the US are unable to listen to banjos
Bangos are not sexy.
― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 23 October 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
record of the year! luv this 4eva!!
― mo radalj, Saturday, 23 October 2010 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
"Back to December" and "Dear John" are both jawdropping, perhaps her best attempts at ballads yet (the latter in particular being like a much much better version of "White Horse" - as a general rule she is so much better working in specifics rather than archetypes).
"Back to December" in particular though is just... A++ songwriting. Like (and it may be counter-productive to break it down) the shift between "I go back to December..." and "I'd go back to December" is so subtle and yet so important to the narrative arc of the song, and she's so good at picking up on things like that.
― Tim F, Sunday, 24 October 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
dear john is fucking DEVASTATING
― The Saga of the Unkillable Mr. Poppins (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Been writing essays and haven't found time to listen to this properly yet, but on background listens...initial thought:
Back to December took some time to hit me, but once it did it was completely devastating. Dear John is a tad overlong, but equally affecting. The Story of Us is wonderful - all backbeat and sass, and Better Than Revenge....wow. Didn't know she had it in her. It's like some Kelly Clarkson 'My December' shit but with a proper dancebeat and that random hip hop drum bit at 2:20 or so.
― The SBurbs (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 24 October 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
has the us version leaked yet?
― dayo, Sunday, 24 October 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
the deluxe has the US versions on it
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 24 October 2010 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, think I'll just wait a day for the retail.torrent
― dayo, Sunday, 24 October 2010 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/arts/music/24swift.html?pagewanted=all
― J0rdan S., Monday, 25 October 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I love this.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
but Caramanica's insistence on autobiographical parallels is bullshit.
so, so in love with "enchanted".
― prolego, Saturday, October 23, 2010 6:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― Moreno, Monday, 25 October 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
All those songs with one-word titles in the back half blur together.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
The back half is surprisingly intense! Rock opera-ish.
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link
"Better Than Revenge" is terrific though.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link
"Enchanted" and "Haunted" are my two favorite songs on the record!
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 25 October 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
on a couple of listens, the ones that really impressed me were the last two - pretty incredible double-header to close the album with.
("back to december" was already a favourite, love that track)
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 25 October 2010 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link
"Better Than Revenge" is like Paramore (or second album Ashlee) rewriting Madonna's "Thief of Hearts". Love it, but def. was not expecting it!
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
"no amount of vintage dresses gives you dignity" <3
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 25 October 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Which ones? The deluxe edition is replete with songs.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Assume lex means "last kiss" and "long live" - both great, I was dubious of "long live" at first but loved it by the end.
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, I like "Last Kiss" a lot. I'm impressed by how she sustains these five-minute-plus song lengths.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, the ones that close the album proper - haven't actually got round to the bonus tracks yet. the only ones i'm actively dubious about are "mean" and "never grow up". i'm hungover and have no further thoughts about anything though.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Monday, 25 October 2010 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Mixed review from Slant, perhaps raises some interesting points:
She often comes up with a great, revealing line, but there isn't much in the way of emotional depth or maturity to these songs. If there's something of the modern "No, I'm right, and you should just shut up" zeitgeist reflected in Swift's perspective, it's also easy to wish that a writer of her obvious smarts delved into more substance and developed a more fully informed take on matters of life and love. To that end, it's also troubling that Swift's songs still uniformly build an artistic persona that is defined exclusively by her relationships with men. A song like "Enchanted" or "Speak Now" may work brilliantly on its own merits, but over the course of three albums, Swift hasn't shown that she can write authoritatively about anything other than how great boys are or how much boys suck or how dreams about boys will take her somewhere better than where she is now.
To that end, it's also troubling that Swift's songs still uniformly build an artistic persona that is defined exclusively by her relationships with men. A song like "Enchanted" or "Speak Now" may work brilliantly on its own merits, but over the course of three albums, Swift hasn't shown that she can write authoritatively about anything other than how great boys are or how much boys suck or how dreams about boys will take her somewhere better than where she is now.
― prolego, Monday, 25 October 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Swift hasn't shown that she can write authoritatively about anything other than how great boys are or how much boys suck or how dreams about boys will take her somewhere better than where she is now.
gee I wonder how Slant feels about those big boys Springsteen and Neil Young - can't stop writing about cars and girls and stuff.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
RIP Slant ~~~~miss u~~~~
― markers, Monday, 25 October 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Fuck Slant. Also no need to listen to the bonus tracks, they don't fit in (on a great long album that certainly doesn't need more music) and they're not that good on their own either. Sorta same-y, been-there affairs.
― abcfsk, Monday, 25 October 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't really fathom the insistence in reading her songs autobiographically. Who cares if she herself insists on these readings? The Slant and Caramanica reviews stop being interesting when both get smug about the parallels between her art and life.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Though she does vary her phrasing in ways that attempt to mask her limited voice (the way she sneers, "She looks at me like I'm a trend/And she's so over it," on "Better Than Revenge" is especially effective), Swift is still noticeably off-pitch at least once on every song on the album. The simple fact that she's written a song that uses juvenile ad-hominem attacks to dismiss anyone who might say so doesn't make it any less of a liability
what on earth?!
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
"dark twisted games" = ~~~~~obviously a Kanye reference~~~~~
― markers, Monday, 25 October 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
review from Slant, perhaps raises some interesting points
http://cdn.best.complex.com/assets/images/lists/hip-hop-gifs/29-Camron-NP.gif
― J0rdan S., Monday, 25 October 2010 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
lollllll
that guy's review of fearless was even worse - passive aggressive attacks throughout & then at the end was like "she's a terrible a singer, sooo imma give this 2.5 stars, k."
― prolego, Monday, 25 October 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, is that the dude who's eternally pissed Miranda Lambert doesn't outsell all other country artists?
― abcfsk, Monday, 25 October 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Was thinking about which songs Taylor has written not about boys/relationships, and off the top of my head the list was: "Coming Undone", "The Best Day", "Revolution", "Mean", "Never Grow Up", "Innocent".
The fact that most of these are about growing up and/or the difficulties of adolescence is not terribly surprising. I think she is writing from what she knows (though not necessarily strictly autobiographically). I'm not sure what things Taylor should be writing about, or be expected to write about, apart from these topics. I'm not sure who we're supposed to be comparing her to in this regard.
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link
That Slant review is so defensive -- as if he was personally under assautled by Swift.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link
*under assault
He probably thinks "Mean" is partly about him due to his Fearless review, which is much worse IMO.
Agree with Lex that "Mean" doesn't strike me as being about critics except as a kind of side benefit.
NB. when I mentioned "Revolution" I was of course referring to "Change".
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
^_______________^
― avoyoungdro's number (k3vin k.), Monday, 25 October 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link
So are the pop versions on the UK version or something? The version of the album I'm listening to now has all the proper versions?
― altered boners (rennavate), Monday, 25 October 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Also for those who say she can't sing, she kinda kills it vocally on "Dear John", which is awesome.
― altered boners (rennavate), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
She nails it all over the place: "Better Than Revenge," "Back to December." Lots of unexpected growls and slurs along with her usual half-note ascensions.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
hoping the VV gets someone good to write a solid review of this
― markers, Monday, 25 October 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I have a feeling they will.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, this is kinda incredible so far (I'm up to "Mean" now).
― altered boners (rennavate), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, October 25, 2010 5:08 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark
lol
― J0rdan S., Monday, 25 October 2010 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link
I've never heard the supposedly awful singing, that's just her girlish voice right? This is not meant as a defence, I'm just genuinely not sure what's being referred to specifically. The two times I've seen her live she sounded fine. I remember the long sections of "doe-eyed" contemplation of the crowd (Caramanica is definitely spot-on about that) but no bad notes.
― Tim F, Monday, 25 October 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
In terms of her ability to write an indelible melody, Swift rivals power-pop acts like Fountains of Wayne and Guster
― J0rdan S., Monday, 25 October 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I agree with you, Tim. I never thought Taylor was anything less than a good singer, which I really believe she is. She's not a traditional belter, but so what.
― altered boners (rennavate), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Ann Powers.
― raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 October 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link