Mozart has time-traveled to your living room. He asks you about today's music.

Adorno was a bit far off, though, because he existed in a universe where anything but 12 note music was worthless in his eyes.

As for the point, Genesis and Mozart are both complex in their own way, but Genesis adds a few other dimensions (beat, performance, timbre) that were practically nonexistant in Mozart's time for obviously technologic reasons. I am pretty sure had that technology existed at the time, Mozart would have used it, and then he'd sound better in the ears of today's listeners.

adorno adored beethoven, you are nuts

this thread = Geir Hongro's Populism for Snobs

Genesis adds a few other dimensions (beat, performance, timbre) that were practically nonexistant in Mozart's time

Confused by what you mean by performance... you mean like old Petey Gabriel dressed up like a pillock? Cos they do that too in opera.

geir, does that paragraph from adorno mention 12-tone at all?

does it make claims about which kind of music is proper or correct or even good?

no, it doesn't. he's making simple factual statements about musical qualities, speaking strictly about "complexity", comparing tin-pan alley jazz/pop and the high classical era of mozart & haydn. first, rhythm: jazz is more complex than classical music. second, melody: a lot of jazz is more complex melodically than haydn, for example. third, harmony: after dubussy & ravel (and by implication wagner & romanticism) even tin pan alley pop had a much more complex range of chords to borrow from.

and no, he's not saying tin-pan alley is therefore better than Viennese classicism. it just is what it is: more complex.

(i know this is pointless)

Geir makes Cap'n Save-the Truth of us all.

Genesis adds a few other dimensions (beat, performance, timbre)

"beat" -- oh, you mean rhythm??

you see the difference between rhythm and beat is one's more jungly

Evidently it took "Hooked on Classics" to elevate Mozart to the level of Genesis in Geir's world.

I would play Mozart some Living Rooms, the fine Italian downtempo project. They're actually pretty good.

so when in the last two hundred years was timbre finally discovered

lols @ geir calling dude "a bit far off, though, because he existed in a universe where anything but _____ music was worthless in his eyes."

has german changed much since mozart's time? did mozart know any archaic english?

English hasn't changed that much at all since Mozart's day.

ahoy hoy, herr mozart, would you do without a wireless, a dirigible, or a pennyfarthing wot wot 23 skidoo?
corsets on wealthy dowagers: classic or declasse?

let's have Geir time travel back to Mozart's day and see how he freaks out that he suddenly has no music he likes to listen to

Interesting web discussion of Mozart's language abilities (I've linked to the post that best addresses his grasp of English).

adorno adored beethoven

Because he considered Beethoven to be part of the long lineage of progression which culminated forever Schönberg and 12 tone music.

that isn't true either

that's very interesting! re: mozart practicing English by taunting his pupils in it.

Schonberg inspired the Beach boys

adorno would never have thought of, or wrote in terms of, "progression" or anything being "culminated forever"

can't you just be happy that he didn't like jazz? jeez, give the old guy a break

stupid question: Geir, have you actually read Adorno, and hold an informed opinion about him, or did you just manufacture a strawman based on a paragraph quoted out of context?

the Beach Boys inspired Schonberg.... through TIME TRAVEL

brian wilson has time traveled to schonberg's living room

stupid question: Geir, have you actually read Adorno, and hold an informed opinion about him, or did you just manufacture a strawman based on a paragraph quoted out of context?

lol yeah you kinda answered yr own q here drugs

Wouldn't necessarily require time travel for Brian Wilson to meet Schoenberg; they both lived in southern California throughout the 1940s. Granted, the time travel scenario would lead to more interesting conversations between them...

My answer to any time-travel hypothetical is "The Rockafella Skank."

For Mozart, that, and that "Midnight Blue" ballad, and, I don't know, "You Belong With Me."

what IF Schonberg was the dude with the pop sensibility and Brian Wilson was the master of noise, and he followed the scenario Big HOOS laid out, and Brian Wilson/Schonberg had a Reese's Peanut Butter cups moment and taught each other their opposite styles....

....so then Schonberg DIDN'T ruin music (GeirTM) after all???!!!!!

MAKES YA THINK

I suppose I should go ahead and reveal my ignorance with a realistic answer to the question. But to set some limits, let's say he has to go back in two hours. So...no symphonies, and I'll start a whole half century after Mozart. I added these up and it's just under 120 minutes. The crash course:

Liszt/Hungarian Rhapsody five
Overture to Carmen (only two minutes)
Night on Bald Mountain
Strauss/In Abendrot
Debussy/Prelude to Afternoon of a Faun
Sibelius/The Swan of Tuonela
Williams/The Lark Ascending
Puccini/maybe Si, Mi Chiamano Mimi and
Nessun Dorma for good measure, since these are short
Holst/Jupiter from the Planets
Copland/Fanfare for the Common Man (three minutes)
Louis Armstrong/West End Blues
Ellington/Take the A Train
Rammstein/any song (it's in German!)

Woops, I left out John Adams/the Chairman Dances -it's still under two hours.

B'wana that playlist looks great! I threw together a Spotify playlist just in case he ever does show up:

http://open.spotify.com/user/pmadra/playlist/6QExryVuq3lgmkjZ8Hscr6

That playlist is actually pretty good. Would probably substitute one or two for electronic songs... maybe Pantha du Prince and Aphex Twin.

... or something heavy on percussions.

Although I'd give myself migraine trying to explain him how electronic music works... probably just better to let him figure it out and send him back in time to see how he manages to reproduce it.

Mozart would be horrified by that list. Better play him some nice melodic pop music. He'd like that better. Mozart was a melody guy.

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funny how Mozart's view of music seems to be exactly like yours!

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http://www.happybabybag.com/catalog/images/mozart.jpg

^^^ pinnacle of western art. Mozart without all the unmelodic crap.

Not sure it does what it says on the tin though.

probably better naptime music than a Schoenberg piece for soprano

just to prop up Geir's favorite strawman composer for more fun in this thread

No twelve-tone masturbation in front of the baby please.

I like how Nessum Dorma, Carmen, Jupiter and one of Debussy's drippier pieces are too unmelodic for Geir.

Not all of it, but a lot of it. Generally "classical" music from after 1900 is not wasting much time on. The true classical music of the 20th century were composed by pop composers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijnfdLFhn2o

straight bottin'

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