The 2006 film "Miami Vice," a remake of the television show with very little evidence of that heritage, was seen as a creative misstep, and it grossed a lukewarm $164 million worldwide (its production budget was $135 million).
guess the LA Times doesn't read the blogosphere.
Also ya'll are crazy. Treme was great, Deadwood is the best show ever made, Rome was solid fun, In Treatment has been very good, and Boardwalk Empire is just now finding it's legs.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link
rome was awesome
― guanciale diary (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
what was the last good hbo drama? feels like the answer is arli$$
― ok we are pals (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link
BTW, in that UPenn link up above, Milch reads the pilot script for Luck (reads all the parts and the directions and everything) and it's good.
They just put up a Q&A with Milch at the LA Times:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/10/david-milch-hopes-for-visceral-experience-with-hbos-luck.html
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/f71b5774-dd62-11df-beb7-00144feabdc0.html
next movie projects are battle of agincourt and 50s chicago gangsters
― caek, Monday, 25 October 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Another Michael Mann interview
― Ballard, Dick (Eazy), Monday, 25 October 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Oops, same link as caek.
David Milch and Michael Mann are two of the most imposing intellects and autodidacts in the biz, so the notion of them collaborating is almost mind-boggling.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I would kill a man if it would ensure that Agincourt gets made.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
this could be good.btw walter hill directed by the pilot of deadwood, which had some extraordinary moments. where did that guy's career go, though?― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, March 3, 2010 5:32 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark
btw walter hill directed by the pilot of deadwood, which had some extraordinary moments. where did that guy's career go, though?
― by another name (amateurist), Wednesday, March 3, 2010 5:32 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark
For some reason I thought Walter Hill was dead... guess I was thinking of George Roy Hill.
Can you really call Milch an autodidact when he graduated from Yale? Unless you're saying he's like... a student of life or something.
― Princess TamTam, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
do people still watch treme? i liked it at first but had like a physical aversion to watching it. same with boardwalk empire. it just feels exhausting.― cathy: ACK-er (s1ocki), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:00 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark
― cathy: ACK-er (s1ocki), Tuesday, October 12, 2010 10:00 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark
I felt the exact same way about Treme... I think the scene where Bunk gets his teeth knocked out by a cop really made me realize how enormously unpleasant watching the show made me feel. Boardwalk's airier and more fun to me though, even if it's way more violent and gross.
― Princess TamTam, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link
the 67-year-old filmmaker has shown a profound gift for connecting human emotion, music, color and light on the big screen
lol trying to write abt wtf michael mann is up to
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
from the article:
Luck is the latest example of talent from the big screen crossing over to TV and boasts a cast that includes Dustin Hoffman, playing a seasoned gambler, Nick Nolte and Dennis Farina, a former cop Mann first worked with 22 years ago on his TV series Crime Story.
didn't they first work together on Thief?
― Princess TamTam, Tuesday, 26 October 2010 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link
i waited on treme until i could watch the whole season in one week and it felt like a massive perfect movie.
― The Saga of the Unkillable Mr. Poppins (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link
you mean massively boring imperfect boo-vie
― candid gamera (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 12:57 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, yes, that's clearly what i mean.
― The Saga of the Unkillable Mr. Poppins (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link
np
― candid gamera (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 October 2010 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link
man I thought this was supposed to start airing in January. now they're saying autumn of 2011.
― dmr, Friday, 29 October 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
got to side w/team slocki over team forks when it comes to tremé, sorry john
― cozen, Friday, 29 October 2010 20:53 (thirteen years ago) link
tremé was awful, overbearing forcefeeing of david simon's BIG VIEWS. i feared boardwalk empire had a similar level of heaviness/tediousness (i didn't watch episode 2 till this week) but i love it now, it is worth sticking with.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 29 October 2010 21:31 (thirteen years ago) link
overestimating the BIG VIEWS argument of Treme imo.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 29 October 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link
but i think when your mouthpiece commits suicide it is an intentional complication of those big views.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 29 October 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
David Milch is a total school of life autodidact. That New Yorker profile is one of the most fascinating things I've ever read. The guy's a genius, and I almost got the impression the Ivy League had more to gain from him than he it.
Here's a taste:
[Robert Penn] Warren had arranged for Milch to begin teaching seminars in fiction and poetry at Yale that year and to work on a two-volume textbook anthology of American literature that he and Lewis were editing with Cleanth Brooks. It didn’t take Milch long to acquire a cult following; his classroom style was vibrant, earthy, and often derisively funny, and details of his avocational exploits enhanced his mystique. For instance, he was a gambler who knew a great deal about horse racing and was writing a screenplay set at a racetrack. (Were his students also aware that he was an alcoholic and a heroin addict?) Depending on how one interprets the data, Milch was either bedevilled by self-destructive urges or possessed of keen survival skills that sustained him in the face of unhealthy compulsions. A superior student—he graduated summa cum laude and won the prize given for the highest achievement in English—he was an unlikely member of the jock fraternity (Delta Kappa Epsilon; George W. Bush, president), which provided a venue for his main extracurricular activity: drinking.
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact_singer
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 October 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Some great Milch stuff at The Idea of the Writer. His lectures tend to be more about his experiences than anything else, but they're still enjoyable. I seem to remember really liking the USC Religious course one myself.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 29 October 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link
In fact that might be place where he discusses John from Cincinnati being about preventing genocide through mercantilism.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 29 October 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link
man, i would say treme is three (3) times as good as john from cincinnatiand (almost?) as good as deadwood
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 October 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
Dude, Treme is nowhere near Deadwood quality. Deadwood was just a zillion times more entertaining, the only thing that kept me watching Treme was the great cast, and I doubt there's any force of nature that could get me to watch a second, John Goodman-less season.
― Princess TamTam, Saturday, 30 October 2010 04:57 (thirteen years ago) link
shrug
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 October 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Deadwood is the greatest show of all time. Treme is very good, but it's about equal with John from Cincinnati (though for different reasons). Treme has a lot of potential and a great community vibe, so I think it's worth sticking with.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Saturday, 30 October 2010 05:02 (thirteen years ago) link
the Cult of Milch makes me a little suspicious/skeptical, honestly. i liked deadwood a lot but it was really pretentious, and some episodes just didn't work. it felt like twin peaks levels of bad-with-the-good sometimes.
― by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 30 October 2010 07:28 (thirteen years ago) link
pretty sure it wasn't 'the greatest show of all time.' it had a couple of the same flaws as 'boardwalk empire' -- gratingly 'upscale' violence against women, bit slow -- though obviously it pisses all over 'boardwalk empire' [via ian mcshane crushing it].
― it's always random in wackydelphia (history mayne), Saturday, 30 October 2010 10:57 (thirteen years ago) link
How many dramatic TV shows have been better than Deadwood? You could probably count them on one hand. I'm not saying it was perfect, but 'pretentious' doesn't really scan as a great criticism to me, or at least not one that I really care about. I mean, I don't have anything really interesting to say about the show except that I liked it a whole lot, but is pretention really bad if the show is still massively entertaining? Is it really a lot more pretentious than The Wire? That's a show which I love but also found much more wearying with its laser-like focus on being an IMPORTANT show about IMPORTANT things. I guess either it works for you or it doesn't.
― Princess TamTam, Saturday, 30 October 2010 12:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd put deadwood in top ten tv dramas
― a pun based on a popular ilx meme (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 October 2010 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I think Deadwood is very enjoyable on a surface level. I don't know what's pretentious about that. John from Cincinnati was probably pretty pretentious though. Also 'upscale violence against women' - yawn.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Saturday, 30 October 2010 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link
deadwood was amazing but it's lack of a conclusion hurts the series as a whole I feel, or think; I mean I never finished watching it once it got cancelled. maybe I should.
I think HBO has had a solid run with dramas again lately. Boardwalk Empire and Treme are both excellent.
― akm, Saturday, 30 October 2010 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link
It's a shame that Deadwood got cancelled, but it was hugely successful at what it wanted to do during its run, so I can't hold anything against them. Even the third season, which I found to be unsatisfying first time through, improves immeasurably upon second viewing.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Saturday, 30 October 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
The last shot is pretty depressing, which sort of flies against the optimism of the series, but it's fitting in its own way.
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Saturday, 30 October 2010 14:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i liked the first season of deadwood okay but i couldnt really get into the 2nd. mcshane was great, but i felt like i had enough.
― candid gamera (s1ocki), Saturday, 30 October 2010 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
did u watch the third
― Princess TamTam, Saturday, 30 October 2010 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
no should i
― candid gamera (s1ocki), Saturday, 30 October 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh i thought most of dude's "shakespearean command of language" was a lot of lorem ipsum mumbo-jumbo
ha, yes, i'm listening to these idea of the writer lectures and most of the sentences remind me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorless_green_ideas_sleep_furiously
― caek, Saturday, 30 October 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Season 3's the worst so I dunno if I could recommend it to someone who was sick of the show by s2, but there's some cool stuff in there... like one of the most memorable fight scenes I've ever seen on film or tv.
― Princess TamTam, Saturday, 30 October 2010 16:06 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un1XLmK84Vw
― candid gamera (s1ocki), Saturday, 30 October 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeS6y6mbUzY
Now you don't need to bother!
― Princess TamTam, Saturday, 30 October 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Also 'upscale violence against women' - yawn.― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:36 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:36 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
all im saying is these shows are a bit too tasteful
but 'boardwalk' is way way worse on that score
think 'deadwood' had a pretty good non-conclusion conclusion -- it always ducked the really massive 'oh shit' possibilities, not just in the third season
― it's always random in wackydelphia (history mayne), Saturday, 30 October 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Boardwalk is too tasteful? I don't follow you. It doesn't seem very tasteful to me.
― Princess TamTam, Saturday, 30 October 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Deadwood wasn't cancelled, which just adds to the myth. It simply stopped. But then again, Milch et al. sort of boxed themselves in by using real characters. When one of your major villains is a future US senator, you can't just kill the guy off.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 October 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link
the way deadwood ended def brought it down a notch a two ime - still v classic tho
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 30 October 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link